Michigan Senate Judiciary Committee Considers Amendments To The Mmma

[Hayduke]

You told me there was NO DOUBT these bills would pass last year. Do you know how little creds you have now when you tell me that Jones really wants to do something good for us? I think you are wrong again. But thanks for trying to soften the wording. And please don't step on me in the process with far fetched BS about Jones looking out for us.

I never said that there was no doubt the bills would pass, in fact the strongest phrase was "cautiously optimistic".  you are full of yourself.  as for creds, you should talk... as you have exactly none...

[Wild Bill]

The only out I see is a hand written letter campaign getting republicans to write for us if we write for guns or something. 

 

Send a big check along with the letter, then maybe you'll get somewhere.

[Norby]

Send a big check along with the letter, then maybe you'll get somewhere.

Ya, look what that got us last session, lies and more lies and more funds to the ones trying to screw us and no medibles.  Fool me once(well not me but...)

[YesMichigan]

Ya, look what that got us last session, lies and more lies and more funds to the ones trying to screw us and no medibles.  Fool me once(well not me but...)

 

I'm apparently in a minority because I see too many irregularities with Carruthers to declare that it killed medibles. I also assert that because the COA in the Carruthers Opinion (as I illustrate further below) states they didn't kill edibles.

 

1. Over weight. If we say that any batter with marihuana in it is marihuana then the weight must be kept within 2.5 ounces for Section 4 protection. I liked the comment before "Immunity only works if you don't get arrested" Perhaps this is the way to stay out of bracelets from the get.

 

2. THC "Resin" isn't covered by the MMMA - but subsection H of Section 4 states:

 

(h) Any marihuana, marihuana paraphernalia, or licit property that is possessed, owned, or used in connection with the medical use of marihuana, as allowed under this act, or acts incidental to such use, shall not be seized or forfeited.

 

http://www.legislature.mi.gov/%28S%28ytob5fjonblf1rutmve20v45%29%29/mileg.aspx?page=getObject&objectName=mcl-333-26424

 

So if THC Resin is marihuana (per 1976 People v. Campbell THC is marihuana) and not "usable marihuana" but is in a brownie being used (as stipulated by the caregiver who is the ultimate authority on patient use) in connection with the medical use of marihuana (consumption) then it cannot be seized or forfeited and thus is not to be classified as "contraband" and could not be tested as it should not be seized or forfeited once ascertained.

 

These inconsistencies illustrate that Carruthers is only one example of a disallowed medible and not indicative that ALL medibles are illicit under the Act. Given a hard candy made with decarboxylated kief where usable marihuana is obvious and evident and the candy amount is under weight I think the COA would have a different opinion. The COA in Carruthers even indicated that not their ruling did not preclude all medibles

 

"Our interpretation also does not preclude the medical use of marijuana by ingestion of edible products;9 to the contrary, that use is authorized by the MMMA , within the statutory limitations, provided that the edible product is a “mixture or preparation” of “the dried leaves and flowers of the marihuana plant, ”rather than of the more potent THC that is extracted from marijuana resin. MCL 333.26423(k). Again, we find that judgment of the drafters of the MMMA, in so defining “usable marihuana,” to be an appropriate exercise of their duty to define the parameters of the legal use of marijuana for medical purposes."

 

http://publicdocs.courts.mi.gov:81/opinions/final/coa/20130711_c309987%2837%29_rptr_105o-309987-final.pdf Page 9

 

The most important aspect is that a person NEVER EVER NEVER use "resin" to make their edible. They should instead use "a preparation made ONLY from the dried leaved and flowers of the marihuana plant".

[bobandtorey]

ah bob, your advice and opinion are the best around, you have the experience not many have. you know exactly what is going on, more than the governor and president even! i bet they dont know how many people are in court right now for marijuana.

 

dont want anyone to get burned out. stay happy everyone1

Thanks

i understand how some may feel it's when you get calls from others telling their stories some are so sad it's hard

 

 that sure was a great show last night on PGT i just don't know how he  stays Positive with his Job as a Lawyer hearing the stories he must here everyday because you never get uses to them

[Chauncy Gardner]

Do the Republicans have enough votes to meet the 75% threshold that is required to alter voter passed initiatives? Did they win that many seats in the last election?

 

Also, if people are voting that heavily for Republicans, do legalization initiatives really stand a chance?

[+Malamute]

Senate: 27 ( R) - 11(D) - 71% ( R)

 

House: 63 ( R) - 47(D) -  57% ( R)

[bobandtorey]

 LANSING, Mich. (AP) - Confusion surrounding the legality of marijuana dispensaries and non-smokable forms of the drug are prompting lawmakers to propose changes to Michigan's 5-year-old law that legalized marijuana for medical use.

    
Bipartisan legislation would allow for "provisioning centers" where patients with a state-issued medical marijuana card could obtain marijuana.
    
Advocates say the bill is needed so patients have safe access to marijuana besides just through a licensed caregiver.
    
Some municipalities have let dispensaries continue to operate while others haven't after a state Supreme Court ruling.
    
Another bill would authorize non-smokable marijuana such as oils, food items and pills.
    
Similar legislation died last year because of public safety objections from law enforcement.
    
Michigan has 165,000 residents allowed to use marijuana to treat cancer and other illnesses and nearly 32,000 licensed caregivers.

 

http://www.13abc.com/story/28109860/michigan-considers-changes-to-medical-marijuana-laws

[Restorium2]

Similar legislation died last year because of public safety objections from law enforcement.

 

With that fact in mind we can only expect worse wording this time in an attempt to appease law enforcement and get them to pass. These are law enforcements' bills, not patients' bills.

[t-pain]

Michigan's 5-year-old law that legalized marijuana for medical use.

2008 to 2015 is one two three four five ... six if you go by the first card issued in 2009.

seven if you go by the effective date written in the law books.

 

"History: 2008, Initiated Law 1, Eff. Dec. 4, 2008"

 

counting is difficult.

[GregS]

The most important aspect is that a person NEVER EVER NEVER use "resin" to make their edible. They should instead use "a preparation made ONLY from the dried leaved and flowers of the marihuana plant".

I think the most important thing to do is to hold their noses in their irrational bullschit. They need to be housebroken.

[t-pain]

http://www.senate.michigan.gov/committees/files/2015-SCT-JUD_-02-10-1-02.PDF

 

"This same bill, which was supported by not only property management associations, but the National Patient's Rights Association, passed unanimously out of the senate judiciary last term and passed out of the senate 32-6. Additionally, it passed out of the House Judiciary Committee with only one no vote."

[t-pain]

i remember now that that was the fixed bill that npra supported. after hayduke and cpu removed the bad stuff from joness' bill.

 

hopefully jones accepted the changed bill again? heh

[Restorium2]

i remember now that that was the fixed bill that npra supported. after hayduke and cpu removed the bad stuff from joness' bill.

 

hopefully jones accepted the changed bill again? heh

They said that the old bill didn't pass because law enforcement wanted more restrictions. So any new Jones Bill will reflect that to get passed. They are rope a doping everyone into thinking that WE need what law enforcement wants. That's how they are working the press.

[+Malamute]

We are hoping to fix the bill as best we can.  I personally see no need for the bill, it could still die yet again. 

 

Public service announcement: Have your Legislators and legislation spayed and neutered...

[Hayduke]

we got half of our requested and previously negotiated language requests on that bill.  We will get the other part in the House Judiciary I believe....

 

Resto you are so negative on everything, without even any inside information or participation.  You need to issue a crabby defeated before we start, guy warning, every time you post on these topics...lol...

[slipstar059]

What was that about insider information.

[YesMichigan]

We are hoping to fix the bill as best we can.  I personally see no need for the bill, it could still die yet again. 

 

Public service announcement: Have your Legislators and legislation spayed and neutered...

 

I like it when we agree. You said you'd hate the bills from the start and I wanted to read the changes before I was adamant. A few minutes of reading and I agree with you and all others who say they should stay out of the Act entirely.

 

Provisioning Centers are being handled locally already, if The State wants to obstruct the Will of The People then the people will keep bringing the authority closer and closer home and thus their control. Freedom does that to people.

 

Rewording the Act for edibles is not needed. The Courts learning what "any" means is the only thing required. I thought Justices were required to be literate.

[Restorium2]

 I would like to see the bills defeated, that would be a victory for The Act.

 

Keep The Act Intact.

[Restorium2]

What was that about insider information.

He's saying I have none. At this point no one needs it if they have been paying attention.

[free420country]

I say leave the act alone too cause it already allows for concentrates imho

[flower pharm]

2008 to 2015 is one two three four five ... six if you go by the first card issued in 2009.

seven if you go by the effective date written in the law books.

 

"History: 2008, Initiated Law 1, Eff. Dec. 4, 2008"

 

counting is difficult.

they needed to keep it to one hand

[Norby]

As long as u make your edibles right before you eat them or add nothing to them and eat them strait.  Whatever you do don't make a whole batch of brownies.

[slipstar059]

Yea really the legalization of edibles, is really a for profit bill. You don't need to dress up concentrates, or decarbed cannabis, or any of the preparations. They work just as well, in a capsule or eaten alone, as they do in a candy, or in a brownie. I can see where people that want to juice the raw plant, would want protection, though. I still want to hear the Supreme Court rule on these issues, the dispensary bill is needed, but at what cost. The feds gave states the year to lay out the laws without fear of prosecution, get it together.

[YesMichigan]

Yea really the legalization of edibles, is really a for profit bill. You don't need to dress up concentrates, or decarbed cannabis, or any of the preparations. They work just as well, in a capsule or eaten alone, as they do in a candy, or in a brownie. I can see where people that want to juice the raw plant, would want protection, though. I still want to hear the Supreme Court rule on these issues, the dispensary bill is needed, but at what cost. The feds gave states the year to lay out the laws without fear of prosecution, get it together.

 

I think localities are handling this just fine. Detroit is ignoring them and other cities are now specifically allowing and licensing. If MSP wants to pretend it has the time and resources to enforce "State Law" and "McQueen" in jurisdictions that specifically allow dispensaries then they can roll those dice because they will become Schuette's last line of "defense" against the Will of the People. Other wise the MMMA is doing just fine once common sense is applied to the word "Any".