Medical Cannabis List And Effects 2009!

[philanthropy]

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Medical Cannabis List and EFFECTS 2009!!

 

http://www.rollitup....cts-2009-a.html

Just passing this along , its very helful

 

Medical Cannabis List 2009/March

 

* ADHD / Growdoc Seeds

ADHD, ADD

 

* Afghani #1 / Sensi Seeds

insomnia, emotional lability

 

* Afgooey

sleep disorder

 

* Afghanica

Nausea, pain

 

* Afghanie x Haze

Pre-Menstrual Syndrome

 

* AK-47 / Serious Seeds

pain relief, daydream, stress, nausea, depression, insomnia, headache

 

* Akorn aka Snowbud / T.H.Seeds

neurosis, stress, pain relief

 

* Alien Train Wreck

Asthma

 

* Apollo 13

Back pain

 

* Auntie Em

Crohn's Disease, multiple sclerosis

 

* Aurora B

Nausea, joint pain, arthritis

 

* Amnesia Haze / The Finest Medicinal marijuana Seed Co

depressive disorder, appetite stimulation

 

* Bahia Black Head / KC Brains

insomnia, backache

 

* Berry-Bolt

Insomnia, joint pain

 

* Big Bang

Used to sedate and relieve stress & anxiety amongst sufferers of severe anxiety,etc.

 

* Big Kahuna

Herniated disc pain, arthritis

 

* Black on Blue Widow

HIV, back pain

 

* Black Vietnamese

Nausea, muscle spasms, pain

 

* Blue Fruit

Crohn's Disease, muscle spasms

 

* Blackberry

gastrointestinal disorder

 

* Black Domina / Sensi Seeds

gastrointestinal disorder, insomnia, emotional lability

 

* Blue Satellite

Pain, nausea, insomnia, anxiety, muscle tension

 

* Blue Satellite x Jack Herer

Depression, nausea

 

* Blueberry

chronic pain, arthralgia, muscle pain, diarrhea, muscle spasm, menstrual spasm, insomnia, emotional lability, AIDS, nausea, gastrointestinal disorder, stomach trouble, anorexia, depressive disorder, anxiety neurosis

 

* Blue Moonshine

anxiety neurosis, Anxiety, depression, insomnia

 

* Bog Sour Bubble

Pain, anxiety

 

* Bonzo Bud

Body pain, migraine

 

* Budacolumbia

Nausea

 

* Bubba Kush

relax, pain relief

social anxiety disorder

 

* Bubble Gum / Serious Seeds

anxiety neurosis, nausea, depressive disorder

 

* Burmaberry

Migraine, depression

 

* Burmese kush

Anxiety, depression

 

* Burmese x Fu*cking Incredible

pain relief, spasm

 

* Butterscotch Hawaiian

insomnia, emotional lability

 

* Cali-O

Nausea

 

* Catalyst

Pre-Menstrual Syndrome

 

* Cinderella 99

ADD, ADHD, Nausea

 

* C99 x Great White Shark

Anxiety

 

* CIT

Pain, nausea, insomnia

 

* Citral

Insomnia

 

* Citrus Skunk / The Finest Medicinal marijuana Seed Co

depressive disorder

pain relief

 

* Chemo

AIDS, stomach trouble, anorexia, chronic pain, anxiety neurosis

"not good for cancer pain"

 

* Cripple Creek / Tom Hill Seeds

depressive disorder, Ankylosing Spondilitis, Hepatitis C, Degenerative Disc Disease, irritable bowel syndrome, Interstitial Cystitis, Chronic Rotator Cuff Disease

 

* Chronic / Serious Seeds

chronic pain

 

* Deep Chunk

Joint pain, insomnia

 

* Dynamite

Asthma, Crohn's Disease, Hepatitis C

 

* El Nino

Nausea, insomnia

 

* Fieldale Haze

Anxiety, back pain

 

* Fig Widow

Back pain, psychosis

 

* Firecracker

Anxiety, depression, nausea

 

* G13 / The Finest Medicinal marijuana Seed Co

depressive disorder, appetite stimulation, pain, ADD, ADHD

 

* G13 x HP

Nausea, joint pain, insomnia

 

* Ganesh / Mandala Seeds

anxiety neurosis, depressive disorder

 

* Grapefruit

Arthritis, Hepatitis C, pain, nausea

 

* Green Queen

Epilepsy, neck/spine pain

 

* Green Spirit x Timewarp x Herijuana

RLS, insomnia, migraine, joint pain

 

* Green Spirit

Nausea, headache, body pain

 

* Hashberry / Mandala Seeds

anxiety neurosis, sleep disorder

 

* Haze [#k148b573]

ADD, ADHD, depressive disorder

 

* Herijuana / Woodhorse Seeds

pain relief, backache, muscle spasm, nausea, insomnia

 

* Herijuana x Trainwreck

Diabetic neuropathy, joint pain, insomnia, multiple sclerosis

 

* Himalayan Gold / Greenhouse Seeds

pain relief, relax

 

* Hindu Kush

social anxiety disorder

 

* Ice Princess x Bubblegum

Migraine

 

* Jack Herer / Sensi Seeds

anxiety neurosis, ADD, ADHD, Anxiety, fibromyalgia

 

* Juicy Fruit

Insomnia, joint pain, anxiety

 

* Kalichakra / Mandala Seeds

backache, pain relief, anxiety neurosis, depressive disorder

 

* Kali Mist

Nausea, depression

 

* Kal-X / T.H.Seeds

nausea, sleep disorder, appetite stimulation, body pain

 

* Killer Queen

Depression, back pain

 

* Krinkle x Kush x Freezeland

multiple sclerosis, muscle spasms

 

* M-39

Depression

 

* Magic Crystal

Migraine, Pre-Menstrual Syndrome, depression, seasonal affective disorder symptoms, mania, nausea

 

* Mandala #1 / Mandala Seeds

stress, neurosis, anorexia, stomachache, panic disorder, nausea

 

* Mango

Back pain, nausea

 

* Mango x Northern Lights # 5

Pain, nausea, insomnia, anxiety

 

* Masterkush

Nausea

 

* Matanuska Tundra

pain relief

 

* Matanuska Mint / Sagarmatha Seeds

pain relief

 

* Medi Kush / The Finest Medicinal marijuana Seed Co

depressive disorder, insomnia, multiple sclerosis

pain relief

 

* Medifem SS / The Finest Medicinal marijuana Seed Co

arthritis

pain relief, appetite stimulation

 

* Medicine Woman

Diabetic neuropathy, general pain, general seizures, glaucoma, Hepatitis C, muscle spasms, nausea, radiculopathy

 

* Mexican Sativa / Sensi Seeds

depressive disorder

 

* Misty

Hepatitis C, back pain, insomnia, nausea

 

* Motarebel Oguana Kush

Nerve Pain, muscle spasms, back pain, headache, insomnia

 

* Mountainberry

Insomnia, migraine, pain

 

* NL #5 Haze / The Finest Medicinal marijuana Seed Co

pain relief, appetite stimulation

 

* Northernberry

Pain

 

* Northern Light Special / KC Brains

generalized anxiety disorder, sleep disorder

 

* Northern Lights

Anxiety, radiculopathy, insomnia

 

* Northern Lights # 1

Arthritis

 

* Northern Lights # 2

Nausea, insomnia

 

* Northern Lights #5

social anxiety disorder

 

* Northern Lights x Jamaican

Arthritis

 

* Northern Lights x Cinderella 99

Depression

 

* Northern Lights x Shiva

Body pain, back pain, toothache

 

* N.Y.C Diesel / Soma Seeds

severe pain, neuropathic pain, incontinence

 

* NYC Sour Diesel

Edema, epilepsy, fibromyalgia, radiculopathy

 

* Lady Liberty / Liberty Seeds

pain relief, stress

 

* Leda Uno

Insomnia

 

* Legends Ultimate Indica / Legends Seeds

arthralgia, muscle pain, Insomnia, irritable bowel syndrome

 

* Legends Ultimate Indica x Herijuana

Muscle spasms, pain

 

* Lemon Chemo

Insomnia, back pain, migraine

 

* Lemon Haze

Restless legs syndrome, chronic fatigue

 

* Lifesaver

pain relief, antiinflammation, backache, muscle relaxation, Nausea, headache, insomnia

 

* Lollipop

Cachexia, degenerative bone/disc disease, edema, general pain, general seizures, glaucoma, migraine, multiple sclerosis, nausea, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder

 

* Lowryder

Nausea, pain, headache

 

* LSD

Nausea, anxiety, depression, headache

 

* OG Kush

social anxiety disorder, Sleep, pain relief

 

* Oregon 90

Insomnia, joint pain, Restless legs syndrome, pain, nausea

 

* Original Mystic

Epilepsy

 

* Peace Maker / The Finest Medicinal marijuana Seed Co

depressive disorder, arthritis, multiple sclerosis

 

* Phaght Betty

Cachexia, degenerative bone/disc disease, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder

 

* Purple Kush

appetite stimulation, good sleep

"not good for headache and migraine"

 

* Queen Bee

Neck/spine pain

 

* Romulan

sleep, small muscle relaxation , pain relief, chronic pain, social anxiety disorder

 

* Sadhu / Mandala Seeds

relax, stress, neurosis

 

* S.A.G.E. / T.H.Seeds

dyspepsia, insomnia, muscle pain, arthralgia

 

* Santa Maria

AIDS, stomach trouble, anorexia

 

* Satori / Mandala Seeds

depressive disorder

this strain can ease sleep disorders from auto-immune diseases and Restless Legs Syndrome (RLS).

 

* Sensi Star / Paradise Seeds

pain relief, backache, muscle spasm, calm, relax, Migraine

 

* Silver Haze / Sensi Seeds

backache

 

* Shiskaberry x Dutch Treat

Migraine, anxiety, insomnia, nausea

 

* Shiskaberry x Hash Plant

Anxiety, nausea

 

* Skunk#1

depressive disorder, Nausea

 

* Skunk NL / The Finest Medicinal marijuana Seed Co

the high CBG content makes it very good against high blood pressure

 

* Snow White

Pre-Menstrual Syndrome

 

* Sour Cream

Insomnia, joint pain, nausea

 

* Sour Diesel / Reservoir Seeds

severe pain, neuropathic pain, incontinence

 

* Speed Queen / Mandala Seeds

depressive disorder, anxiety neurosis

 

* Stardust 13

Pain, nausea, insomnia

 

* Strawberry Cough

anxiety neurosis, back pain, depression

 

* Strawberry Haze / Greenhouse Seeds

depressive disorder, anxiety neurosis

 

* Super Impact

Nausea, insomnia, muscle pain, depression, anxiety, seasonal affective disorder symptoms, mania, mania

 

* Super Impact x AK-47

Pain, insomnia

 

* Super Silver Haze

incontinence, appetite stimulation, nausea, neuropathic pain, depression

 

* Super Thai

Depression

 

* Sweet Blu

Degenerative bone/disc disease, diabetic neuropathy, edema, fibromyalgia, muscle spasms, nausea, neck/spine pain

 

* Sweet Tooth # 3

Depression

 

* Thai

ADD, ADHD

 

* Trainwreck

neuropathic pain, incontinence, insomnia, emotional lability, Anxiety, arthritis, diabetic neuropathy, depression

 

* Trainwreck x Herijuana

Nausea

 

* TW x LUI

Arthritis, nausea

 

* TX

Arthritis, asthma, general pain, general seizures, glaucoma, multiple sclerosis

 

* Ultra Green

Insomnia

 

* Wakeford

Anxiety, nausea, insomnia

 

* Williams Wonder / Reservoir Seeds

insomnia, emotional lability

 

* White KC / KC Brains

pain relief

 

* White Russian / Serious Seeds

chronic pain, nausea

 

* White Rhino

nausea, body pain, back pain, joint pain, insomnia

used with great success as pain relief, against multiple sclerosis, and as a sleeping aid

 

* White Satin / Mandala Seeds

anxiety neurosis, insomnia

 

* White Widow

pain relief, depressive disorder, pain relief, appetite stimulation, Cachexia, Hepatitis C, Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder

 

* White Widow x Big Bud

Depression

 

* 8 Miles High / Mandala Seeds

appetite stimulation, lethargy, depressive disorder

[+kurt klaas]

When I review this list, the question that comes up in my mind, which should come up in anyone's mind that has studied the science of marijuana, is this: on what objective research evidence is this list based? The answer, as far as I know from my research of medical marijuana, is, none. To be sure, the list is harmless in itself. But in reading this list, a person is led to presume that it has some objective validity. And as far as I know, it has none. Anybody can come up with a list of ailments and suggest strains for them. I do know that some mmj organizations are in fact attempting to create such a list based on the experience of their members and their input. Even so, the current state of any strictly scientific approach has not been advanced to the degree that such a list would have any scientific validity. In other words, readers of this list should take it with a great degree of scepticism. MMJ advocates need to be wise about what they swallow, if they are to exhibit some degree of scientific critical judgment regarding their passion. Presenting this list without some kind of disclaimer as to its validity really demonstrates some serious shortcomings in understanding the current state of medical marijuana science. What it comes down to is this: the list has no value beyond creating the perception in some people that a certain strain may benefit them over another. Whether it actually does or not is anyone's guess.

 

I encourage everyone to study the science of marijuana so that the mmj community promotes accurate facts regarding this medicine, which many advocates are far too ignorant of.

 

Kurt, Director, the HollandCCC.

[MightyMightyMezz]

When I review this list, the question that comes up in my mind, which should come up in anyone's mind that has studied the science of marijuana, is this: on what objective research evidence is this list based? The answer, as far as I know from my research of medical marijuana, is, none. To be sure, the list is harmless in itself. But in reading this list, a person is led to presume that it has some objective validity. And as far as I know, it has none. Anybody can come up with a list of ailments and suggest strains for them. I do know that some mmj organizations are in fact attempting to create such a list based on the experience of their members and their input. Even so, the current state of any strictly scientific approach has not been advanced to the degree that such a list would have any scientific validity. In other words, readers of this list should take it with a great degree of scepticism. MMJ advocates need to be wise about what they swallow, if they are to exhibit some degree of scientific critical judgment regarding their passion. Presenting this list without some kind of disclaimer as to its validity really demonstrates some serious shortcomings in understanding the current state of medical marijuana science. What it comes down to is this: the list has no value beyond creating the perception in some people that a certain strain may benefit them over another. Whether it actually does or not is anyone's guess.

 

I encourage everyone to study the science of marijuana so that the mmj community promotes accurate facts regarding this medicine, which many advocates are far too ignorant of.

 

Kurt, Director, the HollandCCC.

 

 

Of course it is not scientific. Science turned its' back on Cannabis a long time ago and there really hasn't been much scientific research since the 70's. There should be thousands and thousands of studies on different strains and effects and everything, but there aren't.

[Buck Naykid]

can we get this thread stickied? It should be always at the top!

[christinax4]

another great post p. im impressed to see someone has put forth some effort in helping patients find the right meds to relieve their symptoms. i would have to say, however, that i have yet to encounter a strain that makes me feel worse than i already do. there is almost always some positive aspect, either from a psychological/depression state, or anxiety relief with the sativas, or with a body high/relaxation from the indicas...and some curious mixes...never, ever have i encountered any cannabis that has made me ill. i have been smoking now for 25 years. this list is impressive. it certainly isnt harmful in any way..in fact, i look forward to doing lots and lots of research to corraborate it. look for a future post with my not-so-unscientific findings!

 

it may also be of interest that in my previous working life, before i became disabled, i did clinical research in ophthalmology B)

[luvindragonflys]

thank you so much this is great info. i can't say it enough it is wonderful to see people go out of there way to help others. you are always on here being helpful to someone.thank you, thank you.

[TheFlyingBuddha]

I've seen that before on rollitup.org. Its a great list to give people an idea where to start for strains/conditions.

 

Good submission phil!

 

TFB

[old-hobo]

sweet list THANKS

[peanutbutter]

When I review this list, the question that comes up in my mind, which should come up in anyone's mind that has studied the science of marijuana, is this: on what objective research evidence is this list based? The answer, as far as I know from my research of medical marijuana, is, none. To be sure, the list is harmless in itself. But in reading this list, a person is led to presume that it has some objective validity. And as far as I know, it has none. Anybody can come up with a list of ailments and suggest strains for them. I do know that some mmj organizations are in fact attempting to create such a list based on the experience of their members and their input. Even so, the current state of any strictly scientific approach has not been advanced to the degree that such a list would have any scientific validity. In other words, readers of this list should take it with a great degree of scepticism. MMJ advocates need to be wise about what they swallow, if they are to exhibit some degree of scientific critical judgment regarding their passion. Presenting this list without some kind of disclaimer as to its validity really demonstrates some serious shortcomings in understanding the current state of medical marijuana science. What it comes down to is this: the list has no value beyond creating the perception in some people that a certain strain may benefit them over another. Whether it actually does or not is anyone's guess.

 

I encourage everyone to study the science of marijuana so that the mmj community promotes accurate facts regarding this medicine, which many advocates are far too ignorant of.

 

Kurt, Director, the HollandCCC.

 

Kurt!!

 

You don't know squat.

 

"Science" can NOT even say that smoking cannabis sativa will get you high. Industrial hemp is cannabis sativa. Smoking it will not get you high. It has no THC to get you high.

 

Current "science" is lost about cannabis.

 

It is lost BY DESIGN.

 

Now then, after being intentionally blind for seventy years, how could science be the only way to determine anything about cannabis?

[stonecrowe316]

Thanks for the list,

 

these are the posts that the site needs,

 

very helpful,,,,thank-you

[imiubu]

Of course it is not scientific. Science turned its' back on Cannabis a long time ago and there really hasn't been much scientific research since the 70's. There should be thousands and thousands of studies on different strains and effects and everything, but there aren't.

I agree and I hope that all persons who read the list would

well enough know it can't have any scientific validity.

As has been said, there is no studies to prove this...

other than personal input from patients, and then...

I loved seeing all the names "they" have chosen!

++ I sure would be a willing participant in any such

studies that do not require the smoking thereof!

Peace all

[+kurt klaas]

I will add one post to further clarify what I have learned from my research of medical marijuana science. But first, I do not mean to suggest that all information about mmj not verified by science is worthless. For instance, most of us, from our personal experience, long ago concluded that marijuana was not nearly as dangerous as the government kept telling us. We did not need scientific research to know that, even though science has confirmed our judgment. In the same way, there may be some validity to this list, even if it came out of nonscientific methods of analysis. However, no amount of one's own, very limited personal experience is an adequate ground upon which to state to another person in the following words, "This strain worked for me for this specific condition, and therefore it WILL work for your condition too." If one were to say, "it MAY work for your condition, as it did for me," that I would not object to. That kind of language does justice to maintaining a clear distinction between folk medicine and what has been verified by unbiased research methods. In short, I think we should be very careful in the thinking and language that we use. Many advocates use very sloppy language, and I am sometimes among them. Whenever I use sloppy language that could be improved, I appreciate it when someone with good sincerity points it out. Then I can learn from it, and that's a very good thing. Unfortunately, the criticisms that have been posted do not help me to correct or advance the view that I hold because they do not have adequate grounds.

 

For example, "Of course it is not scientific. Science turned its' back on Cannabis a long time ago and there really hasn't been much scientific research since the 70's." If I try to decipher what exactly it is you're trying to say, it seems to be this: It's unfair to be critical of the list because it is not possible for science to ever confirm it, due to various reasons. We all know that one of these reasons is because the government blocks research into mmj. But to state "there really hasn't been much scientific research since the 70's" is completely misleading and wrong. There has, in fact, been an explosion of research in the last 2 decades throughout the world, if you compare it to the level of studies undertaken before then. I have very serious reservations about accepting someone's criticism who is wrong about such a basic fact. Secondly, I disagree with the proposition you seem to be suggesting that the validity of the list should be accepted simply because it cannot or never will be verified by science. This is not an adequate reason to withhold criticism of the list as I have made it.

 

Another contributor states, "in fact, i look forward to doing lots and lots of research to corroborate it. look for a future post with my not-so-unscientific findings!" The question is, will this research rise to the level of research done by professionals in the scientific research community? Only that kind of research has any final validity. Also, I highly doubt that you have either the large financial resources needed or the expertise to conduct such studies. It is a promise that, very likely, you can never fulfill, and therefore probably should not have made.

 

Someone else states, "Its a great list to give people an idea where to start for strains/conditions." Yes it is, IF IT IS PRESENTED WITH A CLEAR QUALIFICATION REGARDING UNCERTAINTY ABOUT ITS SCIENTIFIC VALIDITY. One of the objections that some doctors have to marijuana as medicine is that not enough research has been done on it that rises to the high level which all new drugs must undergo. Based on the current available research data, it would be malpractice for a doctor to recommend a specific strain to a patient for a specific ailment. For the mmj community to do so, without clear qualifications, would be viewed by the professional medical community as completely irresponsible. Their standards are far far higher than what many lay mmj advocates accept as trustworthy medical counseling.

 

 

Another person states, "You don't know squat" If you had attended an institution of higher education, you would have learned that such a statement is not a valid argument. It is more on the level approaching a personal attack. It does nothing to advance the conversation about the issue we are discussing. You continue by saying, ""Science" can NOT even say that smoking cannabis sativa will get you high. Industrial hemp is cannabis sativa. Smoking it will not get you high. It has no THC to get you high." As hard as I try, I cannot figure out what relevance that statement has to the issue being discussed. But reading the rest of your comments seems to clarify it. "Current "science is lost about cannabis. It is lost BY DESIGN. Now then, after being intentionally blind for seventy years, how could science be the only way to determine anything about cannabis?" First of all, it is wrong to attack science as the problem. The problem is people and biased government policies promoted by those people. In order to propose a solution to a problem, you first have to identify the problem correctly. You have not done so. Therefore, your solution to give up on science is wrong. Second, I have never stated that science is the only way to determine anything about cannabis, or at least I have tried to make that clear in this post. My view is that it is the only way to objectively confirm what has been determined by other less reliable methods.

 

Despite what seems to be a general rejection of the criticism I have made about the list by posters, I stand by it until someone can present me with valid facts and arguments that my criticism of the list is misdirected. I will continue in my attempts to raise the level of scientific understanding of marijuana as medicine in the mmj community. The most important scientifically proven facts are that it is efficacious, generally safe and has low side effects. But when specific strains are proposed for specific ailments and it is made to sound like these alignments help all patients equally, it has to be admitted that that goes far beyond what the current state of the science has been able to demonstrate. Really, is it that hard to swallow this fact? By the way, swallowing it does not imply a rejection of the fact that, generally speaking, the vast majority of persons who try mmj receive health benefits from it.

 

Thanks for you feedback and involvement in the cause.

 

Kurt

[mizerman]

Of course it is not scientific. Science turned its' back on Cannabis a long time ago and there really hasn't been much scientific research since the 70's. There should be thousands and thousands of studies on different strains and effects and everything, but there aren't.

I have a similar list at home and many strains either "produce" those feelings or "combat" the afore-mentioned symptoms.

 

Happy Sunday!

Eggs over easy, hashed browns, and toast...

 

Mizerman

[FloridityNow]

"[marijuana] not nearly as dangerous as the government kept telling us."

 

Hi ho.

 

"when specific strains are proposed for specific ailments and it is made to sound like these alignments help all patients equally, it has to be admitted that that goes far beyond what the current state of the science has been able to demonstrate.

 

Quite right. And presupposing that each named (esoteric) strain can be grown identically to produce the same result is another obvious clue that the list is more propaganda than practical guide. But that different strains will produce different ratios of cannabinoids and other components, that's the important part. Breeding to combine Indica varieties with Sativa, for example, proves to compliment or synergistically boost the medicinal effects of each by enhancing the uptake action on both the CB1 and CB2 receptors in the brain - that much has been discerned in the labs. Medical research has thus far discovered that specific cannabinoids can be used to effectively treat a variety of different illnesses and conditions, as the list suggests. But after that, you're clearly on your own in guessing what specific cannabinoid content your plants may or may not have or what others claim their plants to have - without the means of qualitative study. When home test kits are developed to accurately measure individual cannabinoid content and ratios thereof, only then will such a list have any true value, in my opinion. Further, while most MJ strains have been bred to produce the highest possible THC content, lab studies have revealed that these higher THC level plants most often produce lesser medicinal cannabinoid values as a result, so growers really haven't had any reliable indicator for creating a truly successful medicinal crop, either, other than what can be supposed or guessed at by judging the intensity and quality of the euphoria created by the Delta-9 THC content. And I'll also proffer that THC content, with it's distinctively seductive qualities, can surely influence perceptions and any particular sense of well being - thus temporarily fooling oneself of a cure. Happens all the time.

[MightyMightyMezz]

I will add one post to further clarify what I have learned from my research of medical marijuana science. But first, I do not mean to suggest that all information about mmj not verified by science is worthless. For instance, most of us, from our personal experience, long ago concluded that marijuana was not nearly as dangerous as the government kept telling us. We did not need scientific research to know that, even though science has confirmed our judgment. In the same way, there may be some validity to this list, even if it came out of nonscientific methods of analysis. However, no amount of one's own, very limited personal experience is an adequate ground upon which to state to another person in the following words, "This strain worked for me for this specific condition, and therefore it WILL work for your condition too." If one were to say, "it MAY work for your condition, as it did for me," that I would not object to. That kind of language does justice to maintaining a clear distinction between folk medicine and what has been verified by unbiased research methods. In short, I think we should be very careful in the thinking and language that we use. Many advocates use very sloppy language, and I am sometimes among them. Whenever I use sloppy language that could be improved, I appreciate it when someone with good sincerity points it out. Then I can learn from it, and that's a very good thing. Unfortunately, the criticisms that have been posted do not help me to correct or advance the view that I hold because they do not have adequate grounds.

 

For example, "Of course it is not scientific. Science turned its' back on Cannabis a long time ago and there really hasn't been much scientific research since the 70's." If I try to decipher what exactly it is you're trying to say, it seems to be this: It's unfair to be critical of the list because it is not possible for science to ever confirm it, due to various reasons. We all know that one of these reasons is because the government blocks research into mmj. But to state "there really hasn't been much scientific research since the 70's" is completely misleading and wrong. There has, in fact, been an explosion of research in the last 2 decades throughout the world, if you compare it to the level of studies undertaken before then. I have very serious reservations about accepting someone's criticism who is wrong about such a basic fact. Secondly, I disagree with the proposition you seem to be suggesting that the validity of the list should be accepted simply because it cannot or never will be verified by science. This is not an adequate reason to withhold criticism of the list as I have made it.

 

 

Show me a few of the studies in this explosion of research where particular strains are tested for their effects. I would not include research on isolated or synthetic cannabinoids in this context.

[Casper]

Great information, thanks!

[peanutbutter]

When home test kits are developed to accurately measure individual cannabinoid content and ratios thereof, only then will such a list have any true value, in my opinion.

 

LOL all you have then is the test tube results. Without any human testing to back up your claims (whatever those might be)

 

With a list of cannabinoid profiles, you might have some indicator about potential strains for conditions.

 

So then ..

 

one list is from a set of lab tests.

 

The other list is from human trials.

 

Which method should produce better results? BTW .. the lab tests still need to be confirmed by human testing.

[FloridityNow]

LOL all you have then is the test tube results. Without any human testing to back up your claims...

 

I don't know why you're laughing, we all want the same thing. Plus, besides being rude, these quixotic stabs of yours only serve to confuse what others are saying. And all we are saying is this: if you're going to sticky post such a reference guide in this forum, then at least make note that it does not represent the views of the entire MMJ community, that there is no scientific evidence to support it, and that anyone attempting to use it as their personal guide may be disappointed with results.

 

As far as I'm concerned, the list is completely worthless and nothing more than bogus advertising distributed by seed sellers looking to lure a new generation of (medical) marijuana consumers to their products.

 

"Test tube results"? The point I was making was that anyone can claim certain medical benefits from different esoteric strains, but it is only through the means of meaningful analysis that one may have an objective starting point with which to conduct their own experiments.

 

Here is one such an example of personal test means: http://www.alphanova.nl/?pagina=index&cat=7

 

Without such analytical evidence to base your subjective evaluations, you're operating completely in the dark. Whatever results you might draw from such an experiment without reference points, is also completely worthless to anyone else.

 

Almost all the popular strains of marijuana have been developed for the recreational user - the more stupid and paranoid it makes them, the better. As THC levels went up, the modifying and medicinally beneficial CBD levels went down as a result.

 

"The only time cannabis users ever really had access to a higher level of CBD was with hashish farmed in populations with varying ratios of Bd and Bt genes. So as it stands now, CBD is not available to any real extent to medical cannabis users." - http://www.cannabisfarmer.com/web/node/39

 

"CBD -Cannabidiol- is an active ingredient of cannabis that has been suppressed by growers and governments for countless generations. From Marakesh to Mendocino, plants have been bred for maximum psychoactivity, resulting in high THC and low CBD content. In the Prop 215 era, California growers hoping to develop plants with a high CBD-to-THC ratio have been stymied by lack of access to an analytical test lab. Surreptitious tests have been done on "high grade" plants whose buds turned out to be in the range of 15-20% THC and 0.1% CBD."

"Thus, prospective buyers are informed that the sparkly nuggets of Raspberry Kush they are savoring in a Petri dish are free of dangerous aspergillus and contain 14.3% THC by weight. (Percent CBD and CBN almost always round off to zero. That's about to change.) - Steve DeAngelo, proprietor, Oakland's Harborside Health Center

 

Change you can believe in: http://blog.norml.org/2010/04/09/new-strain-of-medicinal-marijuana-announced/

 

It's my opinion that the MMMA should prioritize laboratory testing for Michigan patients using DeAngelo's Harborside Clinic as example.

[DevOfAngels]

I will volunteer eagerly for any study that science wants to do concerning the effects of marijuana...if anyone is interested

[FloridityNow]

Lets see now... what was it the Dormouse said? ...I can't remember. Feed your head?

 

Lovelymaryjane (member, Detroit) recently published a MJ cookbook and so naturally she had the insight to first post the news article about MJ food safety and lab testing in California. Not many seemed to notice however, so here it is again, for all that missed it: Pesticides in your foods (and a whole lot more)

 

And Here

[imiubu]

Lets see now... what was it the Dormouse said? ...I can't remember. Feed your head?

 

Lovelymaryjane (member, Detroit) recently published a MJ cookbook and so naturally she had the insight to first post the news article about MJ food safety and lab testing in California. Not many seemed to notice however, so here it is again, for all that missed it: Pesticides in your foods (and a whole lot more)

 

And Here

Thank you, I didn't see her post and I am

most interested in using "medibles" as my

primary way to medicate.

peace

[djkazoo]

I will volunteer eagerly for any study that science wants to do concerning the effects of marijuana...if anyone is interested

 

Volunteers, did someone say they needed volunteers for this study? LOL I'm in! I'd like to find out some good strains for dealing with some of the side effects of radiation and chemotherapy.

 

Wishful thinking, I know.....

[dutch&Dutchess]

Cannabis research in this country is highly flawed due to its heavy reliance on Drobinol and other synthetic analogs of Delta 9 THC in isolation. Most research in this country is done using this substance and it is administered intravenously or orally. It is very bad stuff. Spraying this stuff on harmless herbs or alfalfa strains has been marketed most notoriously as K-2 which was recently outlawed as a "marijuana substitute"

Any research using this stuff is useless from a medical cannabis aspect particularly when it comes to research and the effects of cannabis on driving tasks.The DEA actively discourages research using actual smoked cannabis. They have allowed exactly 2 in the last 10 years that I can find. They have also been holding up another researchers project because he wants to create his own supply

[Duct Tape]

When I first dabbled in mj it certainly wasn't for pain relief and I can't remember it ever having anything

to do medically but it sure did make me smile. lol

Here it is many years later and I'm going to give it another try,this time in hopes it will indeed at least

help with some of the pain I deal with.

Not knowing anything about the different types of mj out there it was a welcome relief to come across this

list to provide me with a heads up on which ones to give a try.

It's at the very least a start for people like me seeking pain relief,up to now all I knew were the words sativa and indica.

No there's no medical study as some argue but it'll give me some direction,thank you for a great post.

[DayTripper]

Hi ho.

 

 

 

Quite right. And presupposing that each named (esoteric) strain can be grown identically to produce the same result is another obvious clue that the list is more propaganda than practical guide. But that different strains will produce different ratios of cannabinoids and other components, that's the important part. Breeding to combine Indica varieties with Sativa, for example, proves to compliment or synergistically boost the medicinal effects of each by enhancing the uptake action on both the CB1 and CB2 receptors in the brain - that much has been discerned in the labs. Medical research has thus far discovered that specific cannabinoids can be used to effectively treat a variety of different illnesses and conditions, as the list suggests. But after that, you're clearly on your own in guessing what specific cannabinoid content your plants may or may not have or what others claim their plants to have - without the means of qualitative study. When home test kits are developed to accurately measure individual cannabinoid content and ratios thereof, only then will such a list have any true value, in my opinion. Further, while most MJ strains have been bred to produce the highest possible THC content, lab studies have revealed that these higher THC level plants most often produce lesser medicinal cannabinoid values as a result, so growers really haven't had any reliable indicator for creating a truly successful medicinal crop, either, other than what can be supposed or guessed at by judging the intensity and quality of the euphoria created by the Delta-9 THC content. And I'll also proffer that THC content, with it's distinctively seductive qualities, can surely influence perceptions and any particular sense of well being - thus temporarily fooling oneself of a cure. Happens all the time.

 

I think you can make claims that certain strains are better for different ailments; the real problem with the list, (besides not looking very accurate or complete to me), is that 'named strains' that have been around a long time are almost exclusively clone only, and it's very hard to know if your genetics are genuine.

 

If the government were to end prohibition then all of the old school strains could come out of the closet and into the university labs. Until then most people are paying big bucks for mutts with no papers and it's impossible to make a legitimate list.