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#41 blueberry

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 06:44 PM

View Postthequietone, on 26 May 2010 - 06:30 PM, said:

I know don't post much, but today is just a sad, sad day for me. I have been using cannabis since my mom wanted me put on Valiums because I was moody back in 74. I remember the brotherhood that existed back then between those of us who used back then. An invisible bond that pulled us all together from all walks of life. I remember going to parks around Grand Rapids with my friends and meet total strangers and spent the entire day with them eating their food and end up leaving friends. For me this brotherhood, sisterhood, this bond lasted right up to the time it was made legal for medical use.

When I decided to get involved I found and joined a compassion club that wanted to help patients. You bet they wanted to help patients, themselves right to the patients wallets. They want to run as many patients through their patient mill so they can sign them up to one of their caregivers. I joined the 3MA and then the crap hit the fan here between the leaders and some of the members. Things got ugly and I wont go into it suffice to say good people got drove away. People this movement still needs so if they are still fighting through a different group I say THANK YOU.

I have seen way to much greed and fighting and it has to stop and stop NOW. Maybe it is the hippie in me coming out, but what happened to sitting on the grass shoulder to shoulder swaying to the music as we passed the joint. We don't have to agree on everything people and we all know this. So how about we all start looking in the same direction. There is only one group of people who will suffer in the end and we all know it is the patients. This fighting has me to the point of tears as I sit here typing these words. How can this movement go anywhere if we can not get together on the same page then at least how about in the same playbook.

I my thoughts on the CPU is they are a private group who do not have to share their information with the 3MA so thank you for sharing.


In any Democracy, it is the right of any group to operate in secrecy. This is called freedom. We hope members from all groups will use this opportunity to join hands and create an united front, or risk leaving our fate in the hands of the narrow interpretation of LEO.

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 06:47 PM

thankyou

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 07:33 PM

View Postthequietone, on 26 May 2010 - 06:30 PM, said:

I know don't post much, but today is just a sad, sad day for me. I have been using cannabis since my mom wanted me put on Valiums because I was moody back in 74. I remember the brotherhood that existed back then between those of us who used back then. An invisible bond that pulled us all together from all walks of life. I remember going to parks around Grand Rapids with my friends and meet total strangers and spent the entire day with them eating their food and end up leaving friends. For me this brotherhood, sisterhood, this bond lasted right up to the time it was made legal for medical use.

When I decided to get involved I found and joined a compassion club that wanted to help patients. You bet they wanted to help patients, themselves right to the patients wallets. They want to run as many patients through their patient mill so they can sign them up to one of their caregivers. I joined the 3MA and then the crap hit the fan here between the leaders and some of the members. Things got ugly and I wont go into it suffice to say good people got drove away. People this movement still needs so if they are still fighting through a different group I say THANK YOU.

I have seen way to much greed and fighting and it has to stop and stop NOW. Maybe it is the hippie in me coming out, but what happened to sitting on the grass shoulder to shoulder swaying to the music as we passed the joint. We don't have to agree on everything people and we all know this. So how about we all start looking in the same direction. There is only one group of people who will suffer in the end and we all know it is the patients. This fighting has me to the point of tears as I sit here typing these words. How can this movement go anywhere if we can not get together on the same page then at least how about in the same playbook.

I my thoughts on the CPU is they are a private group who do not have to share their information with the 3MA so thank you for sharing.
I agree. They did share this info and I thank them.

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 07:42 PM

I agree, Thanks for sharing the info.

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Posted 26 May 2010 - 09:39 PM

I guess I don't understand a few things about CPU. First off you guys say you are a private club and you don't need to share any information with any of us. Which is fine if that is your stance. But at the same time you tell us that you guys are working in Lansing representing us "the patients" myself being one. Don't go to Lansing representing us if you feel you don't have to share any info with us. You guys act like you are the Freemasons or Skull & Bones or some secret society. If you guys have meetings with the MSP let them know you are only speaking for your own small group.

Second, I don't understand how you claim you are "neutral" on dispensaries but are for p2p transfers.
I believe that almost all the so-called "dispensaries" are operating by p2p transfers. Oh I get it, the word "dispensary" is a bad word. I guess you guys must be for the "Cooperatives" or the "Collectives" or maybe the "Private Clubs". I guess all those sound a little better then "Dispensary" huh.

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 12:50 AM

And people wonder why the BACC is taking baby steps...I have long been of the opinion that this day would come, that the popo have just been sitting on information and that the hammer would eventually fall. There are many within my group that feel the same way, that we are much better off falling somewhat behind the curve, than being on the crest of the wave. Now we have the misfortune that has happened in Williamston. I certainly hope that everyone has their seatbelts tightly fastened, cuz this is going to turn into a hell of a bumpy ride shortly...Peace...j.b. p.s. Mike Cox? Nah, he'd never do anything so underhanded as to attempt to sway popular opinion...would he? If he wins then we can probably kiss this law, bye-bye...IMHO, he may not be able to sway the representatives to completely take away our rights, but he could gut the law so badly that it could become unuseable...watch this guy, he's a politico...

View PostWayne, on 26 May 2010 - 08:30 AM, said:

"She went on to say that the MSP and other police organizations are now actively investigating various dispensaries and it is highly likely these entities will be busted at some point down the road."

Mike Cox(sucker) attorney general and candidate for governor of michigan would never take political advantage by exploiting medical marijuana patients , caregivers, or this community by timing raids on medical marijuana dispensaries just before this Novembers elections. Am I right, or am I right?


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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:32 AM

Chi Guy,
I want to try and clarify things about CPU for you. You're reading too much into the statement.

We are not a private club. We are not a club at all. We a a private corporation exactly like MMMA and 3Med. No different. MMMA is not owned by it's participants. Neither is CPU. Each is controlled by a board of directors. Period.

We represent the patients and caregivers in our group the same way the MMMA does. Just like the MMMA has a right to meet with people in government privately, so does CPU, or 3Med or anyone else who can get the government entity to sit at the table with them.

We do not share anything with the Freemasons or Skull and Bones. That is just silly.

We met with the representitives of the MSP to clarify how the MSP views the Medical Marihuana Law. We formulated questions and asked the questions. From the meeting we all (CPU attendees) came away with an impression that 1.) the MSP said that "they", the MSP, considers Patient to Patient transfers (by anyone not your assigned caregiver) to be ILLEGAL. and 2.) they said (the MSP) that they consider dispensaries to be ILLEGAL.

CPU considered this information to be important to our entire community, of which we are a part (as is the MMMA), so we posted the information on a couple key forums we respect, of which this forum was one. We did not post this information with an attitude to feather our own cap. We posted it out of respect and with the knowledge the information may give one person a chance to avoid arrest if they had the information. No more no less.

The MSP did not weigh in directly on their view of Compassionate Care Centers. I am not assuming anything or drawing any conclusions beyond their literal words.

At the Lansing City Council there were distinctions drawn between Compassionate Care Centers and Dispensaries. You would have to pose your question to Prosecutor Dunning if you wish more clarity on the use of those respective terms. No doubt the gentleman who said he was the lobbyist of the MMMA at the Lansing meeting, Greg Stark, can give you more information. I would suggest you contact him for his view on the respective descriptions of compassionate care center et al.

Okay, you asked our group view on the same subjects. We have a very diverse group that does not have one lockstep opinion. We do not demand our participants all share every single opinion. It would be safe to say that, yes, we would like to see Patient to Patient transfers at least "tolerated" as one Prosecutor has stated. We think the case for that type of transaction could be suggested within the law. Of course we hold no sway over law enforcement in this regard. So we would not be prudent to say to you all, yeah, Patient to Patient is legal. Because it is a very large gray area, it would be foolish of us to tell you all to just go ahead and transfer. The Patient acquiring the medicine would be protected by the law. It is the Patient doing the transfer that may be subject to arrest.

As far as being neutral on the dispensary issue, we have people in our group that cover all sides of this issue. Some favor dispensaries or compassionate care centers, some oppose, and some just feel that battle is not part of our mission. Because of these varied positions we have decided to take no position at this time. None of this has anything to do with the semantics of the words "Dispensary" versus "Compassion Center". We have not weighed on on any of the stuff you suggest in your final paragraph. Maybe it is reasonable you draw those conclusions, but you are wrong. When we say neutral, that is exactly what we mean. It is not the issue we are concerned with.

We wish to stop patients and caregivers from being arrested. We wish for some more clarity on the law from the MSP, the County Prosecutors, and it would be nice to hear from our AG. All these wishes have to do with helping all patients, whether members of CPU or not. I may add that this is no different than what MMMA says and 3Med says. While we all have different ways to cross the river, no one is suggesting that their way is the only way to get across.

One final comment. You add a slur to the end, as though we have intentions to mislead you. Let me state again and try and be clear: CPU is neutral on dispenaries and compassionate care centers and private clubs. We understand that they are being defined slightly separately presently for legal reasons, but we did not begin using any of those phrases, and we have no axe to grind with any of those phrases. We do not believe cooperatives, collectives, or private clubs sound better than dispensaries. This is your suggestion, not our interpretation.




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