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#1 str8dank

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 05:53 PM

well i see no other section but the edibles section that this topic remotely fits into. i only think it half way fits here because it is a extraction and that's all edibles are anyways. i've made BHO (Butane Honey Oil) and bubble hash both and actually came on MMMA today to find some clear information about how extractions are seen within the law. when searching i found some very uninformed comments being made about BHO and thought i would start a knowledge dump of information pertaining to BHO to help enlighten those misinformed.

for those of you saying you would not want to try bho as it does not look safe i have to respectfully disagree. this is a simple extraction process and the horror stories surrounding BHO are never about the end product and NEVER have i seen these horror stories be related to it's consumption. these stories are about careless people using a highly flammable gas within a enclosed environment that just so happens to have electrical devices in it that spark and cause explosions.

I am no scientist but I'll attempt to provide my logic and information i've obtained researching the safety of butane extractions. first and foremost you use the same darn gas to lite your meds. butane extraction is nothing new it's a proven process used for may other items. Even if the bho was not provided the proper time drying time to evaporate off the gas would not the gas just ignite within the bho when you attempt to smoke it having the same potential effect on you as using the lighter? i dont see how this causes any more risk then using the lighter especially once it has evaporated.

Butane is Organically friendly and NON-TOXIC.You may not be aware that butane is the propellant used in oil cooking sprays. you eat stuff that the pan was lubricated with oil propelled using butane so how dangerous could the extracted product be to smoke? It is safe non-toxic, evaporates completely and dissolves the oil readily so it can be sprayed out of the low pressure canister and these products are used on foods in thousands or maybe millions of kitchens daily.

pure butane would be the best solution but there are MANY brands of butane within the US easily available that care the "Near Zero Impurities" logo. to understand the qualifying factors to carry this logo refer to http://www.keen-newp...rBenchmark.htm. alot of people whip their BHO into "budder". If you whip your bho into "budder" you are introducing air into the product increasing the surface area and it's even further confirmation that all the butane is gone. again I'm no scientist and have no special I.Q. this is just my beliefs just based on pure logic of what's happening. whipping bho IMO is like whipping egg whites you are increasing surface area and introducing air and the more air exposure the faster the evaporation of the butane.

it takes a low temperature to evaporate off butane all you need is a hot water double boiler style bath. no heating element needs to be present to keep the water warm you can replenish the water source as needed with more hot water obtained OFF SITE from a pot on the stove. i do extractions outside int he back yard about 20 ft from the house. if i need more hot water I'll go grab a pot off the stove inside.

i built my first extractor recently and it took me about 5 minutes and less then $10. it will hold about 20 grams of plant matter at a time and i use one can per filling. I'll be honest this site seems more aggressive and more arguments happen here then I'm use to so i was actually reluctant to even post this in fear of trolling or just people misunderstanding why i posted it and flaming me. With that said let me say up front i am not posting this to fight, argue or try and prove anyone wrong. My only goal is to help educate my fellow caregivers and patients. If you see something incorrect in my post PLEASE correct me I'm here to learn just like everyone else!

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now I'm off to find out if anyone knows if I'm breaking the law by making it lol. i know CA and Canada treat extractions much different then the when the trich's are still on the plant.

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 06:17 PM

Don't know about the law aspect but what I worry about is manufacturing residue or incorrect container COULD leech chemicals into the end product and cause problems. Especially with those that have weak immune systems.

Chlorinated and aromatic hydrocarbons, esters, or ketones are not recommended for use with PVC or CPVC thermoplastic piping materials.
Although the chemical resistance of PVC and CPVC compounds is similar, they are not always the same. Caution should be used when
comparing the chemical resistance properties of PVC Type I, PVC Type 11, PVC Clear, and CPVC as differences in chemical resistance
exist.

http://www.harvel.co...-resistance.pdf

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 07:18 PM

GREAT response Mememe!

i didn't get into the process of making it just about the butane because that seems to be the most controversial aspect of bho.

my extractor is all stainless with a steel mesh screen and a coffee filter. besides that the only other surface my bho comes in contact with is a pyrex dish.

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that's a stainless steel turkey baster from bed Bath and beyond. i used metal screen with a piece of coffee filter to ensure no plant matter escapes. this is placed over a pyrex dish that captures the bho/butane.

pvc is known to leech i would not use it at all in my process.

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 07:20 PM

Don't know about the law aspect but what I worry about is manufacturing residue or incorrect container COULD leech chemicals into the end product and cause problems. Especially with those that have weak immune systems.

Chlorinated and aromatic hydrocarbons, esters, or ketones are not recommended for use with PVC or CPVC thermoplastic piping materials.
Although the chemical resistance of PVC and CPVC compounds is similar, they are not always the same. Caution should be used when
comparing the chemical resistance properties of PVC Type I, PVC Type 11, PVC Clear, and CPVC as differences in chemical resistance
exist.

http://www.harvel.co...-resistance.pdf


Acetone works fine. It evaporates 8 times faster than water. Some people use Everclear, to make oil, or even a tincture.

As long as you are careful, no open flames or sparks, it turns out great. Stems, stalks, leaves, bud trim, bud...... rinse with a solvent, off comes the THC.

Some people swear by the screens and bubble bags and ice. No chemicals. May or may not be safer. The chemicals evaporate so easily, doubt much gets left behind.

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 07:23 PM

i posted a diy elsewhere on this extractor i've copied and pasted it below..

Stainless Steel Turkey Baster - $6.99
3 bolts (Lowes) - $0.60
2 clamps hose clamps (Lowes) - $1.50

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find a piece of screen and a coffee filter.

* this has legs so you dont have to hold it
* holds roughly 20 grams
* put together in 5 minutes

everyone knows about the Bed Bath and Beyond turkey basters and i heard they were back in stock due to the season so i had to pick one up. i've never made BHO before so i figured I'd give it a shot. the 3 bolts i just bent the threaded tip so it was at a roughly 45 degree angle so the legs would not point straight down that way they did not interfere with packing or removing the plant material.

the hardest part was trying to put the clamp on with the three legs. i ended up taping each leg in place one at a time then putting the clamp on. the tape is ugly but whatever it worked i only have two hands.

NOTE: before you do this use some pliers and make sure that injector tip is on the baster REALLY TIGHT. i did my run hand tight and butane was squirting out at the seams.

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 07:49 PM

This needs to be said.........DO NOT DO THIS TYPE OF EXTRACTION INDOORS................NO SPARKS or OPEN FLAMES.............HJ

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 07:59 PM

This needs to be said.........DO NOT DO THIS TYPE OF EXTRACTION INDOORS................NO SPARKS or OPEN FLAMES.............HJ


Or do it inside and don't be a dumb donkey and do it by open flames??? I have done this inside without any issues.

Love me some BHO and I use the same turkey baster, 6 bucks at Bed, Beth and Beyond...

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 08:06 PM

LET ME REPEAT MYSELF....

DO NOT DO THIS INDOORS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES..............


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Posted 03 December 2010 - 08:08 PM

Just because you got away with it don't think it's safe........Or at least don't advise other to do it indoors.......HJ

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 08:12 PM

LET ME REPEAT MYSELF....

DO NOT DO THIS INDOORS UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES..............



Just because you got away with it don't think it's safe........Or at least don't advise other to do it indoors.......HJ


So easy a cave man can do LOL

I wouldnt know if you could get away with it indoors

smart enuff not to try it too




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Posted 03 December 2010 - 08:21 PM

look for Butane 5x filtered, to get the purest butane.

Do not do this indoors - as refrigerator motors, fan motors, STATIC ELECTRIC DISCHARGE - can ignite the butane. Butane is the MOST explosive gas you can get - it is the one gas that only requires a LOW air/gas mix to EXPLODE. Unlike Natural Gas, propane or even acetylene!

B.D.T.'s has a nice kit already made up - pro-style - for the same price as your kit..

see www.thc4u.com for Skolar Steve's demo of Butane Extraction he did at our last MOCC meeting.

-DN

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 08:32 PM

Just because you got away with it don't think it's safe........Or at least don't advise other to do it indoors.......HJ


Point taken, Ill just go on the deck next time. Thanks...

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 10:50 PM

first of all, i changed your biho or whatever to BHO as it should read :thumbsu:

secondly, what this is??? it is a HIGHLY VOLATILE situation. making BHO is not for everybody. this is probably one of the most serious aspects of cannabis........ this is no joke.

i am not taking anything away from anyone..... nor their methods.... that is not my purpose. my purpose is to save lives.

this is not something that you "haha" about and cook up on monday night while the guys are on the couch drinkin' beers for the football game. this is serious, get your white lab coat on and shut the fuccccck up type stuff. it is not safe to do indoors. period. it just isnt safe. better safe than sorry.

please people, take the proper precautions. proper equipment and proper ventilation .... and it will lead to PROPER MEDS.

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 11:04 PM

I make BHO at least twice a week. takes like 4 min. I put a larger dish of hot water, OUTSIDE , get the pipe bomb ready, float my pyrex in the hot h2o bath, squirt away. come back in 1 min. and its ready to scrape. Do it outside w/ NO smoking and its perfectly safe, AND EASY. if you haven't tried any, trust me, your missing out

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Posted 03 December 2010 - 11:20 PM

Great informational and inspirational thread. Anyone with the motivation to make oil safely and properly should do it. I often think that oil is the medicine, and flowers are just nice to smoke and vape.

Getting my Essential VAAAP at BDT made it much easier and more pleasant to use multiple strains of oil. I carry it with me everywhere now, along with a bit of oil from each of my recent harvests. It allows me to medicate thoroughly almost instantly, whereas I would spend lots of time some days puffing away on joints or the vape without getting the real relief of the oil.

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 03:49 AM

just to clarify i never said i do it indoors nor would i never recommend it's done indoors! i said i do it ouside in my backyard about 20 ft from my house and the only time during the process i ever go back inside is without my extractor to get more hot water off the stove! i agree never do it indoors which is why i said the only bad rep this stuff really gets in the news is dumb people doing it indoors!

i saw a article on a house where the freezer motor ignited the butane in the air from a indoor extraction and it shot the metal door through a wall like a knife through butter and blew a whole wall off the house! i covered why it's not dangerous and what equipment i use but i think this site could use a great how to on bho to go with the info in this thread. maybe i'll find a video that is good or do one myself.

bubblegrower - my haha was about the typo in the header the entire rest of the thread was serious you're seeming a little up tight man! this is a serious topic which is why i thought it was funny that i messed up the title accidentally because i was focusing on the content which is what really mattered.

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 07:21 AM

oh you guys are more paranoid than me! get a good fire going in your 55 gal drum wood burner in the garage, go out there do the extraction(children dont try this at home) phaq the hot water, it evaporates so quick, I just wait about 10 minutes and bring it in a glass pie dish, I set it on one of those electric radiator type heaters, and let it un crisp and start to bubble a lit bit,,man you can smoke some grass off of the lawn with a drop of that sheet on it and get all about medicated!!

Im surprised you arent getting more hassel,,,this is bad, that is bad, oh dont do it that way,,it is getting way to technical for this old stoner, Ill stick to my old ways they always worked and I havent taken a garage ride to the moon yet roglmao! (just kidding about the wood burner)

Peace
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Jim

P.s I had heard something about enhancing weed! in a law, I dont know if that applies now since mm is legal
I got caught with a lil residue left in a few bottles i put it in, and leo called it black tar heroin till the lab tests came back!

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 10:46 AM

the MMMP considers tinctures, medibles, and BHO to be 'preparations of', 'manufacturing', etc.

They would just tally up the weight of all your usable material on your posession. 1 ounce of smokes, and a 3 ounce brownie is trouble. A bottle containing 2.5ounces of BHO is legal. A brownie in your posession weighting 2.5oz is legal (thats only a 2x2" brownie). LEO could charge you with overage if you got caught say, driving around with a tray of MM brownies (thats usually 1lb of 'preparation containing marijuana') or a gallon of cannabutter (thats over 2.5fluid oz)

"(j) "Usable marihuana" means the dried leaves and flowers of the marihuana plant, and any mixture or preparation thereof, but does not include the seeds, stalks, and roots of the plant."

http://legislature.m...x?mcl-333-26423


a 2 ounce plant extraction should yeild about 1 gram. That potent gram can go for $70 to $90!

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 11:29 AM

look for Butane 5x filtered, to get the purest butane.

Do not do this indoors - as refrigerator motors, fan motors, STATIC ELECTRIC DISCHARGE - can ignite the butane. Butane is the MOST explosive gas you can get - it is the one gas that only requires a LOW air/gas mix to EXPLODE. Unlike Natural Gas, propane or even acetylene!

B.D.T.'s has a nice kit already made up - pro-style - for the same price as your kit..

see www.thc4u.com for Skolar Steve's demo of Butane Extraction he did at our last MOCC meeting.

-DN


Where do you get the 5x filtered butane, and who is B.D.T.'s ? I wanna get one of their kits. I've been using alcohol extraction and a pollen press...how do the two methods compare in terms of final product?

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Posted 04 December 2010 - 11:36 AM

Where do you get the 5x filtered butane, and who is B.D.T.'s ? I wanna get one of their kits. I've been using alcohol extraction and a pollen press...how do the two methods compare in terms of final product?


B.D.T. Pipe and Tobacco Place

21640 John R Rd
Hazel Park, MI 48030

(248) 542-6110

$8 I believe for the large can of 5x butane
Tell them you heard about it from MOCC...

- Faster extraction than alcohol, maybe taste?
- BHO is just washing the trichrome off the plant - like Ice-o-lator or even pollen (kif) sifting. Some extractions methods are better at removing the potent THC off the plant material, example ice-o-lator is more efficent than sifting kif.

-DN




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