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#1 MORE COWBELL

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 11:10 AM

theoretically

can multiple patients grow together?

what does the LAW say?

can a patient grow their medicine alongside other patients grow...keep the plants to a minimum and post all documents at grow site without worry that LEO will frown/bust/incarcerate for doing so because no one has a designated caregiver except themselves???

very big questions
Federal? 99 plants or 49 plants?

how would a group cooperative keep a RICO charge from being levied upon them?

if MJ were only legal :mellow:

any advice from Mr.Komorn would be great

Edited by Angry LIBERAL, 08 February 2011 - 11:11 AM.


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Posted 08 February 2011 - 12:12 PM

I am confused on this my self..See Clare doesnt want a bunch of people all living and growing in side same house. But in theree rules they want to set fourth say you can not sell to any that does not live in house, pretty much no transfers out side of house..So on one hand they do NOT wnat a bunch in one house..But on other hand they say your patient pretty much has to live with you..http://www.clarecountyreview.com/?p=5944

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 12:31 PM

A Quandary...
a catch 22...
WE NEED ANSWERS....................please <_<

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 12:32 PM

so a patient cannot grow outside their own abode???????????????????????

and i dont mean 'outdoors' that would be nice

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 02:46 PM

There are no restrictions written into the law addressing this other than an enclosed locked facility.....


if i lease an extra room from you and only i have a key to access it, why does this not qualify?

a landlord is not liable for his tenants growing in a rental house/apartment is he? (unless obviously he is directly related to the grow)

if i lease office space and grow there, does that not satisfy an enclosed locked facility as written into the law?

Honestly, if a dog kennel, anchored to the ground, with a chain link top etc... is viable according to the courts, then how is it that these options, which impose even tougher and stronger security measures, (doors, locks, drywall, etc...) do not qualify if all parties involved garner consent? As far as i read, there are no restrictions or requirements to hide behind plastic, wood fences, indoors, outdoors or otherwise.

Risk, Fear, Intimidation, Pain.

These are the things that they know keep us down, WE as a rule are paranoid, and not from the medication, but because we have been ostracized and repressed for years as a community as a whole. These are the things that they know will keep us hidden in our attempts to grow and harvest the best medicine we can in closets and basements and refrigerators and coolers,

RISK: "Keep it hidden, keep it safe" we cry, why? Why hide behind the brutish tactics of a dying regime any more? We have the power to stand up now against the thugs and punks and rippers that are slowly being weeded out of this industry? (lol, pun intended :) ) Only in numbers can we hope for the rulings and actions that are descending upon us to be kept valid. We need to be diligent in our efforts to protect what we have. We have recourse now if anything happens to us now, no more taking the lumps and starting over. People are being prosecuted for robbing patients!


FEAR: We have brave, seemingly fearless citizens standing up for the law that we all benefit from in Royal Oak. Oh the anxiety the have now! but they know that they have the law and the people of the State of Michigan behind them. There are countless others in the court system as we all know that are paving the way for safer access and control of our own medicine. by our hands, for our hands. These are the rallying cries of our liberation here folks. You have to hear them, we need to heed them! It is time that we show them that we are not afraid to be patients and caregivers, that we are entitled to grow our medicine in places where we feel are a safe, secure location, contractually secure by law if applicable, to produce the highest quality medication that we can for ourselves.

INTIMIDATION: Dont go to a compassion club, they are illegal!, dont go to a dispensary, they are illegal!, dont conduct patient to patient transfers they are illegal! dont let your neighbor see you transfer, the law says you have to be secret about it. WHY i ask? PROPAGANDA folks, i prefer PROPERGANJA mehself, but thats for another time.
Furthermore, why do we buy into it. Why do we continue to shirk from the eyes of the public?

Because we have been living under the shadow of prison and forfeiture for 70+ years. This has changed! We are free people! We need to rise with our heads up as patients and caregivers and stand up to the last of the non-conformists that hold office and other positions of power. They do not have that over our heads any more! yet we are intimidated by the current actions of these entities and by actions in the past on their part.

PAIN: You will suffer, your family will suffer, your friends will suffer, lives will be destroyed if you grow and use marihuana.

UNTIL WE STAND UP and show them that we are not afraid anymore, and that we know that we have rights and freedoms that prevent us from being inspected and be persecuted and are not afraid to invoke those rights!

Im sure there are some flames coming, Get on board, your rights are at stake as well.

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 03:16 PM

I am confused on this my self..See Clare doesnt want a bunch of people all living and growing in side same house. But in theree rules they want to set fourth say you can not sell to any that does not live in house, pretty much no transfers out side of house..So on one hand they do NOT wnat a bunch in one house..But on other hand they say your patient pretty much has to live with you..http://www.clarecountyreview.com/?p=5944

We are haveing a meeting this Wednesday with commisioners, We are n need of some one with a good attorney or a goofd attorney to stop in and explain to these people why they can not..We have and have and have..and every time we do they go back and try to throw some thing in..Do they need this 100.00 a meeting they get that bad? Is Times rought for them? Hell yes..Go
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Posted 08 February 2011 - 05:54 PM

We are haveing a meeting this Wednesday with commisioners, We are n need of some one with a good attorney or a goofd attorney to stop in and explain to these people why they can not..We have and have and have..and every time we do they go back and try to throw some thing in..Do they need this 100.00 a meeting they get that bad? Is Times rought for them? Hell yes..Go
Cannabis...Michigan Number 1 job , they hire any one..

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Posted 08 February 2011 - 09:57 PM

still not clear-we need Mr. Komorn's advice on this one

??????????????? ;)

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 12:07 PM

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 12:40 PM

it says only you and your patient can have access to the room.. if the place your growing with another person is not your patient then no you cant. non patients or caregivers are not allowed to access your room

now growing in sperate rooms that are locked and not accessible by the other seems to be fine

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 12:46 PM

The way everyone interprets the law is going to be different.
The way I read it; If you are a patient and or caregiver there is nothing in the law that says I cant enter or assist in another patient or caregivers grow.
The law states that you just have to be a patient or caregiver not that you have to be linked.

Let me know what everyone else thinks?

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 12:47 PM

it says only you and your patient can have access to the room.. if the place your growing with another person is not your patient then no you cant. non patients or caregivers are not allowed to access your room

now growing in sperate rooms that are locked and not accessible by the other seems to be fine



uh i dont think so. u might wanna read the law again. i wouldnt let anyone else in the room even if there your patient. please dont give out bogus info like this.

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 12:53 PM

uh i dont think so. u might wanna read the law again. i wouldnt let anyone else in the room even if there your patient. please dont give out bogus info like this.


(7) "Enclosed, locked facility" means a closet, room, or other enclosed
area equipped with locks or other security devices that permit access only by
a registered primary caregiver or registered qualifying patient
This is what the law says!
Take it how you will

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 12:53 PM

uh i dont think so. u might wanna read the law again. i wouldnt let anyone else in the room even if there your patient. please dont give out bogus info like this.



maybe you should reread it again before correcting people..to debate something that is so simply wrote is ridiculous


7) "Enclosed, locked facility" means a closet, room, or other enclosed
area equipped with locks or other security devices that permit access only by
a registered primary caregiver or registered qualifying patient.

Edited by jhaz, 09 February 2011 - 12:55 PM.


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Posted 09 February 2011 - 01:42 PM

(7) "Enclosed, locked facility" means a closet, room, or other enclosed
area equipped with locks or other security devices that permit access only by
a registered primary caregiver or registered qualifying patient

This is what the law says!
Take it how you will

i see a "A" not a "THE" "...A patient- A caregiver

not "THE" patient or "The" caregiver

how can inspectors look at a grow-Electricians-HVAC-Plumbers-Contractors????????????????

Edited by Angry LIBERAL, 09 February 2011 - 01:44 PM.


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Posted 09 February 2011 - 04:35 PM

There are no restrictions written into the law addressing this other than an enclosed locked facility.....


if i lease an extra room from you and only i have a key to access it, why does this not qualify?

a landlord is not liable for his tenants growing in a rental house/apartment is he? (unless obviously he is directly related to the grow)

if i lease office space and grow there, does that not satisfy an enclosed locked facility as written into the law?

Honestly, if a dog kennel, anchored to the ground, with a chain link top etc... is viable according to the courts, then how is it that these options, which impose even tougher and stronger security measures, (doors, locks, drywall, etc...) do not qualify if all parties involved garner consent? As far as i read, there are no restrictions or requirements to hide behind plastic, wood fences, indoors, outdoors or otherwise.

Risk, Fear, Intimidation, Pain.

These are the things that they know keep us down, WE as a rule are paranoid, and not from the medication, but because we have been ostracized and repressed for years as a community as a whole. These are the things that they know will keep us hidden in our attempts to grow and harvest the best medicine we can in closets and basements and refrigerators and coolers,

RISK: "Keep it hidden, keep it safe" we cry, why? Why hide behind the brutish tactics of a dying regime any more? We have the power to stand up now against the thugs and punks and rippers that are slowly being weeded out of this industry? (lol, pun intended :) ) Only in numbers can we hope for the rulings and actions that are descending upon us to be kept valid. We need to be diligent in our efforts to protect what we have. We have recourse now if anything happens to us now, no more taking the lumps and starting over. People are being prosecuted for robbing patients!


FEAR: We have brave, seemingly fearless citizens standing up for the law that we all benefit from in Royal Oak. Oh the anxiety the have now! but they know that they have the law and the people of the State of Michigan behind them. There are countless others in the court system as we all know that are paving the way for safer access and control of our own medicine. by our hands, for our hands. These are the rallying cries of our liberation here folks. You have to hear them, we need to heed them! It is time that we show them that we are not afraid to be patients and caregivers, that we are entitled to grow our medicine in places where we feel are a safe, secure location, contractually secure by law if applicable, to produce the highest quality medication that we can for ourselves.

INTIMIDATION: Dont go to a compassion club, they are illegal!, dont go to a dispensary, they are illegal!, dont conduct patient to patient transfers they are illegal! dont let your neighbor see you transfer, the law says you have to be secret about it. WHY i ask? PROPAGANDA folks, i prefer PROPERGANJA mehself, but thats for another time.
Furthermore, why do we buy into it. Why do we continue to shirk from the eyes of the public?

Because we have been living under the shadow of prison and forfeiture for 70+ years. This has changed! We are free people! We need to rise with our heads up as patients and caregivers and stand up to the last of the non-conformists that hold office and other positions of power. They do not have that over our heads any more! yet we are intimidated by the current actions of these entities and by actions in the past on their part.

PAIN: You will suffer, your family will suffer, your friends will suffer, lives will be destroyed if you grow and use marihuana.

UNTIL WE STAND UP and show them that we are not afraid anymore, and that we know that we have rights and freedoms that prevent us from being inspected and be persecuted and are not afraid to invoke those rights!

Im sure there are some flames coming, Get on board, your rights are at stake as well.



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Posted 09 February 2011 - 04:38 PM

took the words right out of my mouth

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 05:02 PM

(7) "Enclosed, locked facility" means a closet, room, or other enclosed
area equipped with locks or other security devices that permit access only by
a registered primary caregiver or registered qualifying patient
This is what the law says!
Take it how you will


not the, or said, so if you have a card, you can enter a grow room.

thats what the law says, plain and simple.

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Posted 09 February 2011 - 06:31 PM

uh i dont think so. u might wanna read the law again. i wouldnt let anyone else in the room even if there your patient. please dont give out bogus info like this.



it clearly states that only the patient and cg can have acces to the g.r Yes the pt can go into the c,.gs room where said pt.s plants are! they are the only ones allowed by the law to have access to the room,,,now me personaly if i was a c.g no one would see my g.r not even the pt. even though it is legal

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Edited by phaquetoo, 09 February 2011 - 06:32 PM.


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Posted 09 February 2011 - 06:38 PM

uh i dont think so. u might wanna read the law again. i wouldnt let anyone else in the room even if there your patient. please dont give out bogus info like this.



you need to read the law bud! maybe you should call your local po po and ask them. let us know when your done with the court system!


read the law, not what people say the law says! maybe you will quite giving bogus advise!

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