168 replies to this topic

[Ten4GoodBuddys]

I think the most beneficial way this site can help patients is by allowing information not disallowing information. Having posts about peoples experiences in each dispensary is more useful to me than just constantly being told all dispensaries are bad. Internet forums are a great medium for excessive niche information like dispensary, clubs, caregivers, and whatever else is available to access medication.

Maybe creating a blanket thread called "Positive Dispensary Experiences" and one called "Negative dispensary experiences" and allowing them to just compile posts for a while will help people like me discern who to deal with and who not to deal with.

I also think it is useful information to have information on dispensaries locations, hours, prices and availability of strains, clones etc. So if each dispensary were to have a thread that they could update and only they could update and all reviews went into the + - feedback threads. It may help patients access medication in a very useful way.

I do not like the stance taken by this site towards "dispensaries", it does not help provide patients safe access by disallowing freedom to discuss.

[roadworkahead]

I also voted no to dispensary advertising. It's not that I am against or hate dispensaries. It is simple enough. There are now more than a dozen sites that one can go to and find ratings, patient and caregiver posts,forums, discussion groups and even test results for most if not all dispensaries in MI. For that matter one can also view other state dispensaries.

I enjoy this site very much as it educational, personable and informative as to what's going on around the state. I would hate to see it riddled with dispensary ads. There are plenty of other sites for advertising, IMHO this site is not one of them. I don't think this site was ever intended for dispensary ads. There certainly wouldn't be any educational purpose for patients or caregivers having them advertise.

Many dispensaries use facebook too. They list their strains, clones, medibles etc.
If you do decide to let them advertise charge them outrageous prices (as many patients claim the dispensaries do to them.)
Do I think dispensaries are "leading the way" and represent thousands of patients (as the "MACC" claims), absolutely not.
I support the patient/caregiver system

Some patients report bad caregivers.... my question is where do these bad grower caregivers end up if they can't keep personal patients?
member caregivers of dispensaries??? just asking...
okay that's my take,

All I care about is that ALL involved are and stay safe in the MM environment.
Have a great holiday weekend.

Edited by roadworkahead, 28 May 2011 - 12:20 AM.

[cristinew]

Can we introduce you to a new federal pen jail cell ? hopefully the state will not take our law away, but with every disps comes less good public opinion
to our program,

[GanjaWarrior]

Unity, not division. Our community is not big enough to just throw away 1/3 of it. Many need or prefer dispensaries despite their inherent downfalls. Why should the slim outspoken majority push their anti-dispensaries views on the large minority of patients through force? Are not we fighting the one shoe fits all mentality?


We have done our community a disservice through censorship. We have lost many members because of this censorship. If Grandma, or Grandpa, asks where is the best dispensary in my area, they should get the help they need or wish to have.


Instead, they get a bunch of strong opinions by those who think they know what is best for others, or are protecting their own caregiver business, on why they are idiots for even considering using a dispensary and the thread gets locked because we are not allowed to mention the word dispensary unless we are bashing one. Then they leave this site, for good, and search for one that fills their need for information and does not treat them like a child making the decision for them by "protecting" them from both sides of the story. This policy is degrading to patients.

In a patient forum you should fell safe talking about any patient related issues and this is currently not the case at the MMMA.



But, yeah, let them pay for advertisement and let us talk good or badabout them.

Nope wrong.... If g ma needs help we should find her some help thats what we are about....we can and will do this without scurvy rat disp types. You should feel safe here...i do becasue i dont feel myself or others i bring to this site will be robbed by disp or mislead by disp employees comming on here acting like a pt trying to steal more from sick people.

What 1/3 would we throw away? the disp isnt a part of our community....di you see em at the rally they didnt care or know about our issues they wanted us to go by 20 dollars grams afterwords. A leach sucking your blood is a parasite not part of you, a disp is just that. A parasite.


other than a few on here...whom im sure have a connect with disp, i have never meet one pt who really like the meds or the way he was treated at the disp. They dont serve a purpose. In case you forgot the point of this law is to protect patients . DISPENSARIES ONLY MAKE VICTIMS OF THE SICK.

[Sinsemillaplease]

Seems many people here take hold of a few negative experiences and individuals and then make sweeping generalizations. That's not logical... it's emotional. Just saying...

[GanjaWarrior]

Seems many people here take hold of a few negative experiences and individuals and then make sweeping generalizations. That's not logical... it's emotional. Just saying...

Theres something illogical about what you are suggesting.....here we have hundreds of people who have bad experiences. This isnt a case for one bad apple....not even close. The only people i hear saying anything good are those who work for, or sell their meds to the disp. the prices are absurd, the meds are garbage....its a fact. I never hear people saying oh man i got a good deal great meds....unless they are talking p2p transfers.... its the logical and legal choice.

[rockinlespaul]

Dispensaries are not covered under the MMMA

They attract federal attention

They turn voters against us

They are the number one reason communities are enacting laws the regulate everyone

Many do import meds and attract more federal attention

There meds are overpriced and of poor condition (I have been to 6 by the way)

Every one of them claims to have organic meds, but how do they know, they don't

Most dispensary raids have been tied to major illegal activity, again degrading the law and opening us up to only state run Dispensaries and no growing allowed

Just watch how this works out, support the dispensary and your government will say fine you got em and that is all you will have. They will regulate and control and a select few will get rich. Big pharma will then get involved and cannabis will be like every other drug. So keep supporting them and see what happens, I will bet money I am right! Those bills in congress right now are all the states need to take over control, why do you think they are there to help the little guy, LOL! They are there to let the government and big business take over, and make money. Think im wrong, well then what did Chris Cristie propose, hmm, what is the model in Arizona, hmm, lets see can it happen here, oh yes and it will.


This law lets the individual grow and take care of their own meds, that is what I want, I certainly don't want to have to put out more money then I did when it was illegal.

btw brother....we live in the same town.

[GanjaWarrior]

I would also like to point out another flaw in the disp debate.....while they will insist so many use a disp due to poor cgs, but they dont adress they fact that most poor cg are the ones selling the meds to disp. you ask for free meds, you get a cg who will cover your cost buy selling all your meds to a disp. If we did away with the disp we would do away with a lot of the "bad" cg out there....

[Sinsemillaplease]

Theres something illogical about what you are suggesting.....here we have hundreds of people who have bad experiences. This isnt a case for one bad apple....not even close. The only people i hear saying anything good are those who work for, or sell their meds to the disp. the prices are absurd, the meds are garbage....its a fact. I never hear people saying oh man i got a good deal great meds....unless they are talking p2p transfers.... its the logical and legal choice.

There may be something illogical about the suggestion you have read into my actual statement but there is nothing illogical about what I actually said. I don't remember mentioning anything about one bad apple. Your whole post is riddled with generalizations based on your personal experience. Do you really believe you speak for every patient at every dispensary and every med in the state?

I'll play your anecdotal game though. I am one patient that appreciates the option of purchasing from a dispensary. I've been to one in Ann Arbor. Almost all the meds are grown by one person that works at the location and they are tested for cannabinoid content. The prices are not much different from what I find from illegal dealers. To me that isn't an issue because I have many options to choose from if I can't afford to pay full retail price. I also grow. They sell guaranteed clones at the same prices people here do for high quality genetics. I do not work for or sell to a dispensary and this has been my opinion since before my roommate got his dispensary job about a week ago.

Nope wrong.... If g ma needs help we should find her some help thats what we are about....we can and will do this without scurvy rat disp types. You should feel safe here...i do becasue i dont feel myself or others i bring to this site will be robbed by disp or mislead by disp employees comming on here acting like a pt trying to steal more from sick people.

What 1/3 would we throw away? the disp isnt a part of our community....di you see em at the rally they didnt care or know about our issues they wanted us to go by 20 dollars grams afterwords. A leach sucking your blood is a parasite not part of you, a disp is just that. A parasite.


other than a few on here...whom im sure have a connect with disp, i have never meet one pt who really like the meds or the way he was treated at the disp. They dont serve a purpose. In case you forgot the point of this law is to protect patients . DISPENSARIES ONLY MAKE VICTIMS OF THE SICK.

You would have to be omniscient to back up the claims you make. You're so certain that dispensaries benefit no patient. You are wrong and to find that out all you would have to do is go to one. People show up and purchase cannabis in all forms on a daily basis. Your main claim seems to be that they are paying too much. What if they don't care? What if they feel the value for their money comes in the form of customer service in a retail setting that they feel comfortable in? I've heard people say that compassion clubs and patient to patient transfers make them feel uneasy. I don't agree with them but who am I to tell them they are wrong for feeling peace of mind purchasing their meds in front of a cash register with a business license hanging from the wall. Are they wrong to appreciate GC/MS testing of everything they consume?

The worst part is you've got the same type of idealistic mindset of the prohibitionist crowd. Your goal of no dispensaries and scrupulous, generous caregivers for all is completely unrealistic... just like eradicating drugs is. The fact is that without dispensaries some patients would go without quality medicine. Some would be forced to buy on the street, some would be forced to buy low grade Mexican brick, some would end up buying expensive breeder packs from Amsterdam, some would choose to stick with Big Pharma and even more expensive medical bills.

They serve a need and they aren't all sess pools full of greedy muffin makers with crappy and/or imported meds. It doesn't sound like you care whether there are any good ones or not though... or whether they help anybody who needs it.

I guess I should mention my view on the poll. I think dispensaries should be allowed to add their contact information to a moderated directory list. That is all... no ads. I had to vote yes since there was no option for directory only.

Edited by Sinsemillaplease, 28 May 2011 - 03:03 PM.

[EdwardGlen]

welp the poll is close 45% yes 55% no, maybe we should agree that we disagree. if ya like'em ya like'em... if ya dont ya dont, either way the feds have declared war on them so it's only a matter of time, i wouldnt want to be a owner or employee!

or registered customer. we know how well AG Scheutte stands up for the sick residents of Michigan

[Kingdiamond]

Seems many people here take hold of a few negative experiences and individuals and then make sweeping generalizations. That's not logical... it's emotional. Just saying...

You must leave your information with each of these dispensaries leaving you to hang out and dry if police access these records via a raid .

They buy out of state medicine to cut costs


Most charge 2-3 times more than what a patient can pay from another patient or caregiver

Throw all this in a big pile and you'll see why most dislike the greedy dispensaries.

[GanjaWarrior]

There may be something illogical about the suggestion you have read into my actual statement but there is nothing illogical about what I actually said. I don't remember mentioning anything about one bad apple. Your whole post is riddled with generalizations based on your personal experience. Do you really believe you speak for every patient at every dispensary and every med in the state?

I'll play your anecdotal game though. I am one patient that appreciates the option of purchasing from a dispensary. I've been to one in Ann Arbor. Almost all the meds are grown by one person that works at the location and they are tested for cannabinoid content. The prices are not much different from what I find from illegal dealers. To me that isn't an issue because I have many options to choose from if I can't afford to pay full retail price. I also grow. They sell guaranteed clones at the same prices people here do for high quality genetics. I do not work for or sell to a dispensary and this has been my opinion since before my roommate got his dispensary job about a week ago.




You would have to be omniscient to back up the claims you make. You're so certain that dispensaries benefit no patient. You are wrong and to find that out all you would have to do is go to one. People show up and purchase cannabis in all forms on a daily basis. Your main claim seems to be that they are paying too much. What if they don't care? What if they feel the value for their money comes in the form of customer service in a retail setting that they feel comfortable in? I've heard people say that compassion clubs and patient to patient transfers make them feel uneasy. I don't agree with them but who am I to tell them they are wrong for feeling peace of mind purchasing their meds in front of a cash register with a business license hanging from the wall. Are they wrong to appreciate GC/MS testing of everything they consume?

The worst part is you've got the same type of idealistic mindset of the prohibitionist crowd. Your goal of no dispensaries and scrupulous, generous caregivers for all is completely unrealistic... just like eradicating drugs is. The fact is that without dispensaries some patients would go without quality medicine. Some would be forced to buy on the street, some would be forced to buy low grade Mexican brick, some would end up buying expensive breeder packs from Amsterdam, some would choose to stick with Big Pharma and even more expensive medical bills.

They serve a need and they aren't all sess pools full of greedy muffin makers with crappy and/or imported meds. It doesn't sound like you care whether there are any good ones or not though... or whether they help anybody who needs it.

I guess I should mention my view on the poll. I think dispensaries should be allowed to add their contact information to a moderated directory list. That is all... no ads. I had to vote yes since there was no option for directory only.

Just to clarify... you really think someone might not care about paying too much. Lmao. No, no you didnt mention one bad apple, though you did wrongly suggest that it was a "few negative experiences". Pretty darn close to the bad apple. No, my post is not based on my sole experience. I have only been ripped off a couple times, by a few disp. I am blessed with this site and the network that is growing here. All of the horror stories from this site, are more than enough evidence.Its funny you gripe you didnt mention the bad apple, then you question me about speaking for everyone.I bet you cant find where i made any such claim....

Funny story, one disp, all meds grown by one guy....so you pay outlandish prices to cover his over head when you could just do p2p? Nope doesn't make any sense sounds phony as hell even. Prices are not much dif that illegal dealers? thanks for proving my point. You have many options, that's great, there are a lot of sick people who have no option but to pay your buddy 20 a gram for crappy meds. that's not compassionate. "They sell guaranteed clones" What does that mean? Anyone can say its whatever, no reason to believe in them any more than the good people on this site. my last few clones came from peeps on this site....FREE.

I see people go to disp all the time. It doesnt mean they are good. I used to get weed from gang bangers....gotta do what you gotta do.I see em as i like to go to disp and tell those poor folk about this site and the love and help that flows from it.....

[Kingdiamond]

The prices are not much different from what I find from illegal dealers.

[marijones]

Peeps can find Dispensaries through THCfinder.com, or whatever, it looks like a wise approach NOT to advertise them, but I'm not 1oo% sure. We live within a paradigm where fossil-hearted politicians and their enforcers in Black&White cars, still can call the shots(not literally,I hope). Caregivers and Compassion Clubs are the most proletarian. Dispensaries are for-profit.
How will Cannabis Law look in 2, 5, or 10 years from now?

[Timmahh]

It is my belief that, as the MMA laws are currently writen and interprited in its entirty, that it leaves one to conclude the omittion of verbage, outlining any type of Dispensory, Dispensory Model, MMJ Store Front, or MMJ Pharmacy type business struction, is purposefully not mentioned. Thus, one is lef to conclude, the sole intent of the verbage omittions is to make illegal any model that would fit along this line of business structure.

I contess, any Dispensory type of business is illegal, soley on the undeniable fact, all verbage that may even hint of a dispensory type business as being Legal under the MMA law, just simply is not in any part of the MMA 08 law. Anywhere. This omittion, which can not be construed as an Oversite, or it was just forgot, leaves no doubt of the legality within the statues of the Act itself. No Direct Vebage to cover or even mention a Dispensory, must be interprited as intenfull, thus making them fall outside the scope and legally binding terms of the MMA act itself. Dispensorys or any Dispensory type business is illegal under the MMA 08 law.

Once you fully understand, what was NOT said in the Act, is Equally as Important to the exact verbage that Is in the Act, then one can honestly be left with the only reasonable conclusion remaining, Dispensorys, and any similar type business fall outside the scope of the MMA 08 law as currently written, thus are not Legal under the Act, in any part.

To interperit otherwise, is just reading words of fiction that are not wrote in the law.


"When you illimate the improbable in any situation, you are left with only the most probable conclusion."

Edited by Timmahh, 28 May 2011 - 05:06 PM.

[peanutbutter]

Dispensaries are not covered under the MMMA

And they have not been made illegal under ANY other law. Since they were never illegal to begin with they don't have to be authorized by the MMMA.

They attract federal attention

True. But so do caregivers. Or co-op grows.

They turn voters against us

I spent money to prove that wrong. If the election were held today and people were asked to vote on this law all over again, 61% would still vote yes. That is knowing for a fact that dispensaries have resulted from this law. Or, at a minimum, the dispensaries exist BECAUSE the law exists. Even so, 61% of the voters would still vote yes for this law.

THE DISPENSARIES DID NOT LOWER PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE OF THE MMMA.

They are the number one reason communities are enacting laws the regulate everyone

I would say they are the number one excuse to disguise their (the government) hate. They are going to hate us no matter what. I'm sure that you wouldn't suggest that getting rid of all the dispensaries would cause the government to suddenly love us?

Many do import meds and attract more federal attention

That has been claimed. Can you produce how much or what percentage of the materials are from out of state? And do those imports exceed our exports?

There meds are overpriced and of poor condition (I have been to 6 by the way)

If you don't think you got your monies worth, spend your money somewhere else.

Most dispensary raids have been tied to major illegal activity, again degrading the law and opening us up to only state run Dispensaries and no growing allowed

It's interesting to note the quality of your information. Every case I've seen I thought the people were legal. EVERY ONE.

What you don't get is this: they are going to arrest people. Both innocent and guilty. They intend to do so to have the courts draw the lines. NOW HEAR THIS: THEY HAVE BEEN AND INTEND TO CONTINUE ARRESTING INNOCENT PEOPLE. As I said, they know some of those they arrest will be found innocent. They KNOW this.

AND SO SHOULD YOU

Just watch how this works out, support the dispensary and your government will say fine you got em and that is all you will have. They will regulate and control and a select few will get rich. Big pharma will then get involved and cannabis will be like every other drug. So keep supporting them and see what happens, I will bet money I am right! Those bills in congress right now are all the states need to take over control, why do you think they are there to help the little guy, LOL! They are there to let the government and big business take over, and make money. Think im wrong, well then what did Chris Cristie propose, hmm, what is the model in Arizona, hmm, lets see can it happen here, oh yes and it will.

Not saying we can let our guard down, but I believe this toothpaste will never be pushed back into the tube. If you want to accept the fear and worry into your life, then go for it. Please don't try to get me to accept your pet fear as my own.

This law lets the individual grow and take care of their own meds, that is what I want, I certainly don't want to have to put out more money then I did when it was illegal.

Take a seed. Put it into the ground. Spend the time you were using to worry and fret and spend it on the plant.

[peanutbutter]

It is my belief that, as the MMA laws are currently writen and interprited in its entirty, that it leaves one to conclude the omittion of verbage, outlining any type of Dispensory, Dispensory Model, MMJ Store Front, or MMJ Pharmacy type business struction, is purposefully not mentioned. Thus, one is lef to conclude, the sole intent of the verbage omittions is to make illegal any model that would fit along this line of business structure.

Sorry .. that's an error. The MMMA does not authorize you to own a hamster. That doesn't make it illegal for you to own a hamster.

The MMMA doesn't say you can drive with cannabis in the trunk of your car on a Tuesday night. That doesn't make driving with cannabis in the trunk of your car on Tuesday night a violation of the MMMA.

Just because it isn't distinctly mentioned doesn't make ANYTHING illegal. In fact, until it IS mentioned in SOME law SOMEWHERE it is legal. And so far dispensaries have not been mentioned in ANY federal or Michigan state law.

[peanutbutter]

Hate dispensaries if you must.

But PLEASE don't pretend they have been made illegal.

When you do, you may be promoting someone to be sentenced to some very long time.

Hate them if you must.

But PLEASE don't inadvertently urge law makers to pass a law against them. A law passed against them means people go to jail.

Do you really wish the owners of dispensaries to go to jail? If so .. who are you working for?

[peanutbutter]

Pb why so brash? how can you rally with us the 25th knowing the mmma position on dispens's then make a statement like that? i dont get it please explain yourself.

I HATE thought bombs that are intended to keep our community divided.

There have been a couple of topics that have spurred very heated debate. It helps when those topics are avoided.

This topic has heated the flames of division in our ranks for a long time. That has caused a lack, or slowing, of progress for our side.

If this site goes 100% anti dispensaries, I have to leave. The site will then have decided to be my enemy.

[nthlghts]

And they have not been made illegal under ANY other law. Since they were never illegal to begin with they don't have to be authorized by the MMMA. Pretty presumptuous!


True. But so do caregivers. Or co-op grows. I do not support anyone who attracts feds and compliant caregivers do not!

I spent money to prove that wrong. If the election were held today and people were asked to vote on this law all over again, 61% would still vote yes. That is knowing for a fact that dispensaries have resulted from this law. Or, at a minimum, the dispensaries exist BECAUSE the law exists. Even so, 61% of the voters would still vote yes for this law. That is acurate in the day done and only involves the percent polled!

THE DISPENSARIES DID NOT LOWER PUBLIC ACCEPTANCE OF THE MMMA.

I would say they are the number one excuse to disguise their (the government) hate. They are going to hate us no matter what. I'm sure that you wouldn't suggest that getting rid of all the dispensaries would cause the government to suddenly love us? No love needed, but slow down and gain some trust!
That has been claimed. Can you produce how much or what percentage of the materials are from out of state? And do those imports exceed our exports? No percent but that big bust going into ann arbor, sure was suspect,aye!
If you don't think you got your monies worth, spend your money somewhere else. I dont care I tied them!
It's interesting to note the quality of your information. Every case I've seen I thought the people were legal. EVERY ONE. Your interpretation, but nothing legal to support! And they lean on the patient to patient hard which could cost us!

What you don't get is this: they are going to arrest people. Both innocent and guilty. They intend to do so to have the courts draw the lines. NOW HEAR THIS: THEY HAVE BEEN AND INTEND TO CONTINUE ARRESTING INNOCENT PEOPLE. As I said, they know some of those they arrest will be found innocent. They KNOW this. Happens to more people than supporters of the MMMA, open carry is being threatened and always has.

AND SO SHOULD YOU

Not saying we can let our guard down, but I believe this toothpaste will never be pushed back into the tube. If you want to accept the fear and worry into your life, then go for it. Please don't try to get me to accept your pet fear as my own.
Take a seed. Put it into the ground. Spend the time you were using to worry and fret and spend it on the plant. I do alright, save the advice!

Do you really want to do this, I don't! Your free to your opinion and so am I so agree to disagree.