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#41 peanutbutter

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 08:40 AM

Sure he has helped people.

But that doesn't change the point that we are trying to establish CANNABIS as effective medicine and this stuff he's selling isn't that medicine. Let's work with real cannabis oil when that is what THE THREAD IS ABOUT. Other medicines are a bit off topic wouldn't you think? Peanutbutter's oil should be called 'peanutbutter's 401K' or something. It's not cannabis oil and it's totally off topic in a thread about a new market FOR OUR FARMERS.


So if it's not cannabis, what's the problem?

Herbs and spices in olive oil.

Sometimes one of those herbs is cannabis. .. Sometimes.

It's not safe to carry a bunch of the topical oil with the cannabis in it. Simple fact of life for me and others.

If it doesn't have the cannabis element in it, then people are expected to add it before using it.

That makes it paraphernalia at worst.

#42 peanutbutter

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 08:45 AM

However paraphernalia doesn't fit either.

The oil doesn't produce a marijuana "high."

So uninfused (no marijuana part yet) oil represents an opportunity for someone to destroy a small amount of marijuana.

That's right .. I sell marijuana destruction kits.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 08:49 AM

Sure he has helped people.

But that doesn't change the point that we are trying to establish CANNABIS as effective medicine and this stuff he's selling isn't that medicine. Let's work with real cannabis oil when that is what THE THREAD IS ABOUT. Other medicines are a bit off topic wouldn't you think? Peanutbutter's oil should be called 'peanutbutter's 401K' or something. It's not cannabis oil and it's totally off topic in a thread about a new market FOR OUR FARMERS.


I take it you have not tried PB's oil - I think the people who have tried it, might disagree that it is not medicine.

The title of the thread is "another market for MM.." Maybe its time you start your own thread and control it? "Restorium's Medicine and Advice" - it has a nice ring to it

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 08:59 AM

I take it you have not tried PB's oil - I think the people who have tried it, might disagree that it is not medicine.

The title of the thread is "another market for MM.." Maybe its time you start your own thread and control it? "Restorium's Medicine and Advice" - it has a nice ring to it

DN

I didn't say it wasn't medicine. Read my words. I said it wasn't THAT medicine, cannabis oil.

The thread says a market for OUR FARMERS doesn't it? How does that fit with a product that he makes exclusively and has nothing to do with a market FOR US(inclusive).

I'm all for a market for cannabis oil. Hip Hip Horray!

#45 Restorium2

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 09:01 AM

However paraphernalia doesn't fit either.

The oil doesn't produce a marijuana "high."

So uninfused (no marijuana part yet) oil represents an opportunity for someone to destroy a small amount of marijuana.

That's right .. I sell marijuana destruction kits.

If I dose my cannabis oil patients right they don't get a high either. They just feel good, not high.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 09:10 AM

If I dose my cannabis oil patients right they don't get a high either. They just feel good, not high.


Go bust someone for hemp seed oil.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 09:15 AM

Go bust someone for hemp seed oil.

?????? WTF

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 09:30 AM

my oil is the best LOL its great for the people who dont want to behave, it locks them on the couch

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 09:35 AM

my oil is the best LOL its great for the people who dont want to behave, it locks them on the couch


LOL

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 09:36 AM

?????? WTF


You have spent a lot of time trying to convince everyone that I'm a criminal.

Please bark up another tree.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 09:42 AM

You have spent a lot of time trying to convince everyone that I'm a criminal.

Please bark up another tree.

Only in your mind sir. I have no ulterior motives.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 10:56 AM

Sorry .. a little on edge while the chopper is flying low over my house.

Looks like they're using the national guard now.

#53 peanutbutter

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 11:15 AM

Only in your mind sir. I have no ulterior motives.


Please understand. My government declared war on me.

Many times it's like I'm in a fox hole.

I have incoming rounds. These rounds are not physical. Their form are words.

At this moment, I don't remember who the rounds cam from. I don't even want to page up and see.

Two rounds that came in were "greedy" and "criminal."

It is a reflex in this war to knock down incoming, non physical, rounds ASAP.

This is a real war with a lot of dead bodies. People shot dead and then the courts and police call it "justified."

It's not the person I'm attacking. I'm trying to survive.

Edit: and the chopper doesn't help the picture much.

Edited by peanutbutter, 26 November 2011 - 11:17 AM.


#54 peanutbutter

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 03:13 PM


Edited by peanutbutter, 26 November 2011 - 03:25 PM.


#55 peanutbutter

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 03:24 PM



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Posted 26 November 2011 - 07:29 PM

lmao...criminal/greedy because he has something that you want and wont give it free....this is not a free world is it?you do have to pay to enjoy modern society right?This is a TRADE.I would love to see another shot at a viable market soon, just like there is for every other medicine...lol just quiting arguing over your own opinions..theres no point to be proven here.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 01:11 AM

Don't you have a state issued license? To have marijuana for medical purposes?

Well if you really want to lay it all on the line...

I think you need to read the law. My card is not a license to have, possess or manufacture MMJ. No one that has a state issued card can possess MMJ legally. Talk to a lawyer about it. This is why judges are throwing out the medical defense, albeit illegally in my eyes, but it is because it is still illegal.

Our cards are protection from prosecution. There is a huge difference there. I am protected, and according to the state as long as I follow the rules, I am protected from being thrown in jail for it. It does not make it legal, nor does it make it less illegal, it simply says the state will leave me alone about it.

It's nice that you agree that traces of THC don't automatically make something illegal. An issue settled in cases about hemp seed oil.

yes, in post manufactured items, traces of THC do not make it illegal. However pre-manufacturing it is. That is why Hemp and all MJ are illegal in the state and Federal laws. You cannot even own raw hemp in the US, it has to be post manufacturing.

You are talking about GROWING industrial hemp. Not simply having it. And it is clearly NOT illegal to hand an unlicensed person a length of hemp rope.

Correct. It is illegal to grow hemp in the US. Post manufactured products are OK. However, if they are produced inside the US, you would be doing so illegally. The only way to legally get a length of hemp rope (or hemp shirt, or hemp rolling papers) in the US is to have it produced outside of the US and imported.

Are you claiming that it is only legal to consume cannabis via smoking? Can I bake a brownie?

I am not claiming you have to smoke it. You can bake a brownie, you can make pills. You can shove it up your rectum if that is what makes your ailments disappear. However with our laws, you should be careful as some prosecutors will say the whole brownie will count against your weight. This is part of the reason I like RSO so much. You can take a 1/2 lb of bud and turn it into approximately 1 oz, completely legal for 1 pt who is not a CG to carry. Done right, it should have most if not all of the pallative benefits of the 1/2 lb of bud. I personally don't smoke it at all anymore. I take pills, a far cry from smoking.


So I'm allowed to discover something as long as I hand it to you free of charge... I see how that works.
You're not alone. There have been several people that tried to make it. Then sell it .. Telling folks it's the same thing as mine. And a lot of the time, they change the formula and it doesn't work as well. You want me to help you do that?

No. See that's the thing about formulations. In your statement here, your oil is superior to anything I could make even if I knew the ingredients. Not knowing how to combine them, not knowing how much of each, etc is where your secret lies in reality. I am not asking for that information. I did ask for that once, when you were claiming you didn't want to make a profit off of it, you were only charging costs to recoup money spent, and that you wanted everyone who could benefit from it to have it.

I am glad to see you not claiming you want every patient who needs it to have your oil free, as you have in previous posts. I respect that you admit this is your creation and intellectual property, and that one of your goals is to gain a profit off of it. At least that is honest, I respect it, and can't argue with it. However, if you are truly compassionate, and are not in it for money at all, as you have tried to claim in the past, you wouldn't guard it to the point of keeping it from people who might benefit from it, just to guard the secret.

I DO list the ingredients. Herbs and spices in olive oil.

This is simple, if you have allergies, be very careful with it. Use the same precautions that you would with anything else.

Simple problem is, if I pick up a can of coke, it tells me what is in it. I also know they aren't using some roots they dug up on indian reservations. Coke's formula is guarded, however the ingredients are not. Without the ingredients, I don't know if you are using nightshade in it, or peyote, or any number of harmful things.


Right ..

So to prove I "care" about the patients, I hand you the formula and let you produce it. I see how that works ..

Once again, not asking for that, nor would I expect you to. Handing me an ingredient list is different. If I told you to make cookies, use eggs, flour, sugar, etc, and you had no idea what quantities to mix, you wouldn't know not to add 2 dozen eggs with 1/2 tsp of flour, you wouldn't know how or what temp to cook them at, etc. Sure you might be able to figure it out with a lot of trial and error, but I can do the same without your help for the oil here. Lots of people know what's in it.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 01:39 AM

Sure he has helped people.

But that doesn't change the point that we are trying to establish CANNABIS as effective medicine and this stuff he's selling isn't that medicine. Let's work with real cannabis oil when that is what THE THREAD IS ABOUT. Other medicines are a bit off topic wouldn't you think? Peanutbutter's oil should be called 'peanutbutter's 401K' or something. It's not cannabis oil and it's totally off topic in a thread about a new market FOR OUR FARMERS.

This is what I am talking about. Other people have been warned for talking about things not MMJ related. It is not a new market, and as previously pointed out, Hospice is for end of life care, not treatment. If you want treatment, exit the hospice.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 06:34 AM

Simple problem is, if I pick up a can of coke, it tells me what is in it.


Please read the can.

List what you find.

Natural flavors.

Ask KFC for a list of every single herb and spice they use.

Edited by peanutbutter, 27 November 2011 - 06:41 AM.


#60 peanutbutter

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 07:03 AM

This is what I am talking about. Other people have been warned for talking about things not MMJ related. It is not a new market, and as previously pointed out, Hospice is for end of life care, not treatment. If you want treatment, exit the hospice.


Now I'm starting to remember .. thanks for reminding me.

So you're in charge of the project now?
You're in charge of this site?
You're making the claim my oil isn't cannabis related?

What isn't a new market?

What a pile of horse crap.

This thread started out talking about Simpson oil being used in hospice centers and the materials involved. It's now been trashed out by you and a couple of other people.

Was that your intent? To trash out this thread?

Take that "I am holy and you will obey me" crap and put it somewhere things like that belong.

Edited by peanutbutter, 27 November 2011 - 07:04 AM.





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