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[mizerman]

As a casual observer, I've noticed from a distance the striking similarities between George Zimmerman and the Jim Jones cult-like-personality who used to run the show here at the 3MA.

They both disregarded the advice of their attorney.

I doubt it if things work out well for either one of them.

Hugs & Kisses,

Mizerman

p.s. Dammit, I almost forgot, "Puff, puff, pass..."

Edited by mizerman, 11 April 2012 - 10:06 AM.

[cristinew]

Margaret Singer, Ph.D.
Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.

1 Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.

2 No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.

3 No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.

4 Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.

5 There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.

6 Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.

7 There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.

8 Followers feel they can never be "good enough".

9 The group/leader is always right.

10 The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.

Edited by cristinew, 11 April 2012 - 10:25 AM.

[cristinew]

Potentially unsafe groups or leaders "come off very nice at first, they go for vulnerable people who are looking for answers, lonely, what you'd call 'normal people.' They're very good at what they do and can get people to believe anything. You might think you'd never get taken in, but don't bet on it. "
-- Margaret Singer, Ph.D.

Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader.

Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration.

Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens.

Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".

Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior.

Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement.

Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests.

A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor.

Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader.

Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful.

Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided.

[Beans]

SIGNS OF PSCHOPATHY

Glib and Superficial Charm
The tendency to be smooth, engaging, charming, slick, and verbally facile. Psychopathic charm is not in the least shy, self-conscious, or afraid to say anything. A psychopath never gets tongue-tied. They have freed themselves from the social conventions about taking turns in talking, for example.

Grandiose Self-Worth
A grossly inflated view of one's abilities and self-worth, self-assured, opinionated, cocky, a braggart. Psychopaths are arrogant people who believe they are superior human beings.

Need for Stimulation or
Proneness to Boredom
An excessive need for novel, thrilling, and exciting stimulation; taking chances and doing things that are risky. Psychopaths often have a low self-discipline in carrying tasks through to completion because they get bored easily. They fail to work at the same job for any length of time, for example, or to finish tasks that they consider dull or routine.

Pathological Lying
Can be moderate or high; in moderate form, they will be shrewd, crafty, cunning, sly, and clever; in extreme form, they will be deceptive, deceitful, underhanded, unscrupulous, manipulative, and dishonest.

Conning and Manipulativeness
The use of deceit and deception to cheat, con, or defraud others for personal gain; distinguished from Item #4 in the degree to which exploitation and callous ruthlessness is present, as reflected in a lack of concern for the feelings and suffering of one's victims.

Lack of Remorse or Guilt
A lack of feelings or concern for the losses, pain, and suffering of victims; a tendency to be unconcerned, dispassionate, coldhearted, and unempathic. This item is usually demonstrated by a disdain for one's victims.

Shallow Affect
Emotional poverty or a limited range or depth of feelings; interpersonal coldness in spite of signs of open gregariousness.


Callousness and
Lack of Empathy
A lack of feelings toward people in general; cold, contemptuous, inconsiderate, and tactless.


Parasitic Lifestyle
An intentional, manipulative, selfish, and exploitative financial dependence on others as reflected in a lack of motivation, low self-discipline, and inability to begin or complete responsibilities.


Poor Behavioral Controls
Expressions of irritability, annoyance, impatience, threats, aggression, and verbal abuse; inadequate control of anger and temper; acting hastily.


Promiscuous Sexual Behavior
A variety of brief, superficial relations, numerous affairs, and an indiscriminate selection of sexual partners; the maintenance of several relationships at the same time; a history of attempts to sexually coerce others into sexual activity or taking great pride at discussing sexual exploits or conquests.


Early Behavior Problems
A variety of behaviors prior to age 13, including lying, theft, cheating, vandalism, bullying, sexual activity, fire-setting, glue-sniffing, alcohol use, and running away from home.


Lack of Realistic,
Long-Term Goals
an inability or persistent failure to develop and execute long-term plans and goals; a nomadic existence, aimless, lacking direction in life.


Impulsivity
The occurrence of behaviors that are unpremeditated and lack reflection or planning; inability to resist temptation, frustrations, and urges; a lack of deliberation without considering the consequences; foolhardy, rash, unpredictable, erratic, and reckless.


Irresponsibility
Repeated failure to fulfill or honor obligations and commitments; such as not paying bills, defaulting on loans, performing sloppy work, being absent or late to work, failing to honor contractual agreements.


Failure to Accept Responsibility
for Own Actions
A failure to accept responsibility for one's actions reflected in low conscientiousness, an absence of dutifulness, antagonistic manipulation, denial of responsibility, and an effort to manipulate others through this denial.


Many Short-Term Marital Relationships
A lack of commitment to a long-term relationship reflected in inconsistent, undependable, and unreliable commitments in life, including marital.


Juvenile Delinquency
Behavior problems between the ages of 13-18; mostly behaviors that are crimes or clearly involve aspects of antagonism, exploitation, aggression, manipulation, or a callous, ruthless tough-mindedness.


Revocation of Condition Release
A revocation of probation or other conditional release due to technical violations, such as carelessness, low deliberation, or failing to appear.


Criminal Versatility
A diversity of types of criminal offenses, regardless if the person has been arrested or convicted for them; taking great pride at getting away with crimes.

[cristinew]

I would Die For YOU

[cristinew]

Pathological Lying yes he did that cpu the evil ones are out to get you

Failure to Accept Responsibility Yes he always seems to put the blame on others esp. groups

Lack of Remorse or Guilt Yes he banned patients like they were cattle,

Grandiose Self-Worth He only was the one that knew what was best, no other way but his,

IT IS TIME TO HEAL KNOWING THE SIGNS WILL PREVENT THIS FROM REPEATING

Edited by cristinew, 11 April 2012 - 11:09 AM.

[Captain Obvious]

"As the Medical Marijuana World Turns"

70+ years of Prohibition, when will the madness end?

Maybe if the people unite and stop all the infighting Prohibition has a chance to be defeated.

BS is loving every minute and I find it to be very entertaining, better than a soap opera.

IMHO it looks like another 70+ years, the MM movement is so easy to divide, like taking candy from a baby.

BTW, if you search for all the evidence in the Martin/Zimmerman case you may understand what is really going on. Do a little research without your blinders on and you may see the light.

Keep stirring the pot Miz, seems to be your best talent.

[abe supercro]

lol +1

[Captain Obvious]

lol +1

It really isn't funny, just stating the Obvious, its my Job, Obviously.

[cristinew]

Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution".

or stirring the pot

[abe supercro]

the group leader should not be questioned, or that is considered persecution. +.01

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[mizerman]

Captain Obvious,

Since you are undoubtedly the "Captain of Obviousness", are we all supposed to bend over?



As far as me simply posting of what I firmly believe are glaring similarities between Zimmerman and Cain. Isn't that my opinion? Am I not allowed to have one? Whose to say you are right, or even me?

I'm not the one going around banning people and editing their words. Even if I had that job, I wouldn't do that to anybody.

It's just like in the real-life political arena when they start talking about being concerned about the poor, the elderly, and middle class tax cuts. If you take them at their word, then you must have your head in the sand...because that's when everyone is about to get a good financial reaming from the government. When they're kissing babies in public, they then plot ways to steal their lollipops...

Hugs & Kisses to the Joe Cain Fan Club...they need all the love they can get!

Mizerman


p.s. Puff, puff, pass...the senational Super Lemon Haze. It was just 4:20pm in Buenos Aires...so I've blown some happy smoke in the direction of my good friend Herbert Reyes

[Estimated Prophet]

At least Kool-Aid was not mentioned in this thread yet.

[Captain Obvious]

Captain Obvious,

Since you are undoubtedly the "Captain of Obviousness", are we all supposed to bend over?



As far as me simply posting of what I firmly believe are glaring similarities between Zimmerman and Cain. Isn't that my opinion? Am I not allowed to have one? Whose to say you are right, or even me?

I'm not the one going around banning people and editing their words. Even if I had that job, I wouldn't do that to anybody.

It's just like in the real-life political arena when they start talking about being concerned about the poor, the elderly, and middle class tax cuts. If you take them at their word, then you must have your head in the sand...because that's when everyone is about to get a good financial reaming from the government. When they're kissing babies in public, they then plot ways to steal their lollipops...

Hugs & Kisses to the Joe Cain Fan Club...they need all the love they can get!

Mizerman


p.s. Puff, puff, pass...the senational Super Lemon Haze. It was just 4:20pm in Buenos Aires...so I've blown some happy smoke in the direction of my good friend Herbert Reyes

Sorry Miz, I never drank the kool aid as some have called it. No reason to bend over, but I can think of hundreds of reasons to try and understand what's really going on with the MM Movement and the true agenda of New World Order (NWO).

Take a few minutes and do a little research, I do see some Similarities, see if you can spot the biggest one and you will really understand what's going on in America.

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http://www.infowars....as-hate-speech/


Certainly the New Black Panther Party should be categorized as a “hate group”, according to the SPLC’s previous categorization used to demonize numerous domestic patriot and sovereign citizen groups. In fact the SPLC has compiled a list of hundreds of “Natiivist” US hate groups . Surprisingly, the New Black Panther Party does not exist on their extensive list which comprises mostly of “Minutemen” citizen militia organizations situated along America’s borders.

So is the SPLC being selective in who they pursue, with regards to “domestic extremists”? According to their own documents, the SPLC’s main focus is clearly that of right-wing groups in America.
Certainly, the numerous Federal agencies will be selective in who they pursue, not least of all, because in many cases it is the Federal agencies themselves who are steering extremist groups – from the inside.

This could very well be the case with both the Neo-Nazi National Socialist Movement, and the New Black Panther Party, where both groups contain Federal controllers within their ranks.

History has demonstrated, however,that the most vociferous and vocal groups and extremist characters have been federally embedded plants, or “informants” from the FBI, CIA, or state police – in most cases, acting as provocatuers inciting violence, or fomenting class and ethnic conflict.

The list is endless – from FBI informant Hal Turner, to members of Bill Ayers’ leftist Weather Underground domestic terrorist group.
Federal documents revealed in 2007 that David Gletty, leader of a notorious neo-Nazi rally through the historically black Parramore neighborhood in 2006, was in fact an FBI agent.

“It’s one of the largest extremist groups in the country, and Gletty was one of the most visible individuals in the National Socialist Movement,” said Andy Rosenkranz, state regional director for the Anti-Defamation League.
Orlando City Councilwoman Daisy Lynum and other community leaders raised larger questions with the Orlando Sentinel as to whether the event itself had been deliberately staged by law enforcement despite the fact that it bolstered racial division.

“If it was staged, I would feel very uncomfortable and would ask for a full-scale investigation,” Lynum said. “To come into a predominantly black community which could have resulted in great harm to the black community? I would hate to be part of a game. It’s a mockery to the community for someone else to be playing a game with the community.”

A larger pattern of white supremacist movements led by FBI provocateurs has been shown in recent history …
Meanwhile programs including those funded by the Ford Foundation are on record funding and fomenting extremist racial groups under the banners of diversity and community activism, opting to prop up radical minority voices instead of more moderate causes.

[mizerman]

Captain Obvious I used to subscribe to your philosophy a couple of decades ago. I have some horrifically frightening members of my family that live deep in the heart of "redneckism" down in Texas.

In Hico, Texas there is a restaurant called The Koffee Kupp. It used to be called The Koffee Kupp Kafe. My late uncle's family has a huge ranch just a few miles north of Hico. I walked away from that brand of thinking and am a far better person for it.

George Zimmerman gunned down Trayvon Martin. He stalked him and killed him. It's a shame he won't be eligible for the death penalty. Yes, I am quite liberal...but I do believe in the death penalty.

As for Florida's "Stand Your Ground Law"? I understand it. However, it doesn't apply to George Zimmerman. If anybody, it applied to Trayvon Martin.

Hugs & Kisses,


Mizerman


p.s. So, I guess you would be offended if I were to get you a Rev. Al Sharpton/Politics Nation/MSNBC t-shirt as a peace offering?

[Captain Obvious]

At least Kool-Aid was not mentioned in this thread yet.

oops

[Timmahh]

i am closing this thread as it does nothing about tomorrow, only dwells in thoughts of yesterday and excitability of today.


Come on folks. Eye on the prize please.

Tim

[abe supercro]

wake. Up

[mizerman]

What is the elusive prize?

[Captain Obvious]

George Zimmerman gunned down Trayvon Martin. He stalked him and killed him. It's a shame he won't be eligible for the death penalty. Yes, I am quite liberal...but I do believe in the death penalty.

As for Florida's "Stand Your Ground Law"? I understand it. However, it doesn't apply to George Zimmerman. If anybody, it applied to Trayvon Martin.


Mizerman

So your ready to hang Zimmerman with the research you have done ? Please provide these links to your insight on this case. You must have some great ones to hang this fellow.

Still waiting on your answer to my question above, obviously you must have missed it.

Provide links that prove your point, otherwise I'm just wasting my time, for obvious reasons.