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[Darkmatter]

And to say the word dispensary with what we do is very wrong.

Correct.
The MOCC is a fantastic organization, and a true compassion club, period. Every time I go I bring a couple of boxes of things for their foodbanks, clothing drives, or whatever. They are here to help. Is that not good enough?
The farmers market they have set up is SEPARATE from the venue they hold their meetings at, and at separate dates.

I don't see how anyone could view this organization as bad. In fact at many meetings while playing bingo, the person calling the numbers would say "I sure wish that law enforcement was here right now, so that they can see us normal people, sitting here, playing bingo, not harming a soul."

[Malamute]

"The farmers market they have set up is SEPARATE"

The Farmers Market MOCC have set up is separate from MOCC.


Hmm, makes sense.

[Darkmatter]

See now you are just splitting hairs. What I think you guys have a problem with is the farmers market model, which is fantastic BTW. If you want to cast stones at good people that are only there to help. You may just be the type of people that it is futile to argue with. I know my opinion of them will be unchanged, and I am sure your will be as well.

[Marijuana Ranch]

Compassion Club List From 11/09 How Many Are Left Today?

The Good Ones
The Ones who Help the Most
Those who can adapt and improved the Marijuana Culture...

[zapatosunidos]

I think what they are having a problem with is a registered nonprofit corporation being financially tied with a farmer's market under the name Compassion Club. That is all.

[ProPlayer420]

Thanks Darkmatter. I should of just started a thread of who's right and who's right. I find it ironic that Mal tells us that they grab patients right up in their meetings and assign them caregivers. Where did their original caregiver get started at???? somebody broke the rules and started without following the guidlines. Was it you. That's why you call yourself compassionate?

Again I repeat no where in the law does it tell you how to acquire medicine or seeds. Somebody eventually has to go into the alley to be the compassionate one for all! Is it you?

[Celliach]

No, actually I think the farmer's market is an awesome idea. The DCCC would even run one, if they were completely, irrevocably legal within the laws of the state of Michigan, which they are not.

[zapatosunidos]

Again I repeat no where in the law does it tell you how to acquire medicine or seeds. Somebody eventually has to go into the alley to be the compassionate one for all! Is it you?

At one time I referred to it as "necessary activism."

[Restorium2]

Ah, but the discussion has taken a turn in a different direction now.

I don't recall anyone saying anything negative about the MOCC. I myself was just clarifying things about what the rules said about an MMMA compassion club.

And this treating dispensaries like they are a dirty word, and farmers markets are something totally different, isn't correct either. They are both doing the same thing, selling to patients they are not connected to through the registry, which has been placed squarely illegal by the courts.

What we all would like is to know is what a compassion club is if we would like to attend. It would be good to know that anything called a compassion club doesn't include people transfering outside the law at the meeting.

The people that seem to be futile to argue with are the ones selling illegally at these markets/dispensaries. They are darn dogged determined to keep their cash cow alive.

Edited by Restorium2, 26 April 2012 - 01:02 PM.

[zapatosunidos]

This is one of the hardest conversations we are going to have as a movement. Let's please try to be as gentle as possible with each other.

[AKenewell]

No, actually I think the farmer's market is an awesome idea. The DCCC would even run one, if they were completely, irrevocably legal within the laws of the state of Michigan, which they are not.

Agreed. They are not legal within the law, so why would anyone promote this at all in this legal environment?

[SSP]

Maybe I am just being thinned skinned today but this thread is very upsetting to me! I am on the board of directors of the MOCC and have been pretty much from the second meeting on.

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Just call yours a dispensary. You don't follow the guidelines set forth by the founders. If it doesn't fit then call it something else.

Not that 2s wrong make a right but the "founders" did not hold up their end of the bargain. Jack explained that very well.

Yes, we do host farmers markets at times. The MOCC does not profit from the markets. What "profits" made after paying expenses such as rent/coffee/ etc all go back into the club to order club t shirts, educational materials, renting buses to take patients to rallys, etc.

Yes, we do host private socials from time to time as well. The club usually provides food or we do some pot lucks. We play bingo and have raffles. We provide a comfortable and safe place for our members to get out of the house for a while. A lot of patients don't/can't get out much. These socials are usually free or very low cost for members.

At every single public meeting, which there are NO meds allowed, we always make sure patients looking for caregivers are given the chance to interview as many caregivers as they like.

We do not profit from any of this. We are definitely not a dispensary. You can bicker that since we strayed from the original document that we aren't a compassion club all you want but we have been in this for the long haul and have an outstanding record.

[Malamute]

Thanks Darkmatter. I should of just started a thread of who's right and who's right. I find it ironic that Mal tells us that they grab patients right up in their meetings and assign them caregivers. Where did their original caregiver get started at???? somebody broke the rules and started without following the guidlines. Was it you. That's why you call yourself compassionate?

Again I repeat no where in the law does it tell you how to acquire medicine or seeds. Somebody eventually has to go into the alley to be the compassionate one for all! Is it you?

We assign noone. We provide a place where patients and caregivers can come together. A patient can meet a dozen+ caregivers at any given meeting and interview them and anything else they wish to do that helps them decide what caregiver they want, if that is what they are looking for.

The law specifically states how to acquire medicine. Either grow it yourself, or have a caregiver grow it for you, or grow it yourself and have a caregiver supply you int he meantime.

A caregiver can transfer seeds to their patients.

[Celliach]

Somebody eventually has to go into the alley to be the compassionate one for all!

Probably, but it shouldn't openly be the CC. If two people meet each at the CC meeting and arrange a private meeting with themselves at a different location and different time, that's something entirely different.

[AKenewell]

"The farmers market they have set up is SEPARATE"

The Farmers Market MOCC have set up is separate from MOCC.


Hmm, makes sense.

I would also agree with this post.

[Restorium2]

You are quoting things without context.

The dispensary name suggestion came AFTER Jack suggested clubs that DO NOT transfer at meetings change THEIR name to something other than compassion clubs.

And Jack did insinuate first that Greg and Brad wanted transfers at the original clubs. That's the way I read it and that's why I commented when I did.

Yes, I can see how you can get upset when you think about some of those comments OUT OF CONTEXT.

[Celliach]

Yes, we do host farmers markets at times. The MOCC does not profit from the markets.

If someone robs a bunch of material and then loses that material, they are still guilty of a crime even though they didn't profit off of it. Hosting the farmer's market is most probably illegal whether you make money or not.

We are definitely not a dispensary.

If you are hosting a farmers market, according to the state law, you probably are a dispensary. A rose is still a rose by any other name.

[ProPlayer420]

Well goodness gracious great balls of fire!! i do believe our first mission is to educate the public and that is what we do at MOCC every month.

Zap, please delete this post, again I was not trying to offend anyone or their clubs. I may have done so and apologize these were not my intentions for the day. I know a lot of you work as hard as I do and some probably more but were not accomplishing anything with this post now.

I really really thought it was a non confrontational post to be. Maybe we all can agree that we need better protection and not more rules from our legislator. So please which ever kind of club or group you belong to, keep calling or writing them and let them know your beliefs.

peace out! I'm outta here like a hippy without a roach.

[Celliach]

Actually I think this is a great conversation to be having especially because we are trying to revive the CC network. We need to decide what kind of behavior is completely legal and allowable at any and all CC meetings.

Everyone has been completely civil so far. I say we keep the thread going and try to resolve the problem by debating it.

[NotKidRock]

Actually I think this is a great conversation to be having especially because we are trying to revive the CC network. We need to decide what kind of behavior is completely legal and allowable at any and all CC meetings.

Everyone has been completely civil so far. I say we keep the thread going and try to resolve the problem by debating it.

No actually you pretty much bunny muffin on this thread. Thanks. Jack was trying to do something POSITIVE for the community and a couple of guys had to whip their dicks out and ruin it for everyone.