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[restlesslegs]

Do you all not see how absurd this is? You all have talked about how unfair it was that Joe ostracized you yet your doing the same thing to anyone that even says a kind word about Joe. I am not a mean person, I am not dumb, I am not sheep, I had only begun to really post or read this forum a few months before everything went crazy. I have been attacked time and time again for making a simple post or reply and for some unknown reason except that I do not bash Joe I am accused of such idiotic things it is down right ignorant. Disagreeing is OK and with this many strong personalities that is expected but to attack a person not the idea is wrong and should not be tolerated.

There are many here that belong to more then one site, many who have bashed other members here and MMMA as a whole at those forums, does anyone say they can not do that, anyone complain about that, does anyone say they should not be a member here because it is somehow a conflict of interest? I am here to learn and if I can contribute, to help others. I do not see anyone tearing the community apart as much as those that claim Joe was the worse and they are somehow better then.

The only way we are going to heal, and we need to do that, is to get past this and show each other a bit of respect. You don't like Joe, we get it, we don't have to be reminded of it constantly. I am sorry this all happened because there is a large rift still in this community but it is not Joe's fault now it is on you that continue this hatred you so freely spew. I thought we were here to support each other but maybe some people feel it is better to just fight and keep things stirred up. I can not help what Joe or anyone else says. It does not mean I have the same opinion just because I belong to the same forum. Just as no one here should be judged for what another person says and they happen to be friends with them.

[SFC]

Fact is Dear Leader is still doing a great job of bring the rest of us together. This thread is proof! Thank you Dear Leader.

Restless, as you yourself said you only have a few months of timeline to reference in all of this. I am sorry but you cannot see the whole picture as many of us do.

Edited by SFC, 07 May 2012 - 11:48 AM.

[Dr. Bob]

I have no interest in telling folks what to look at or what to believe. I have no interest in that site or the folks on it. Having looked at it, I don't really see anything of value being posted, but I'll check here and there. I think I pretty much summed up my feelings and encourage all of you to simply think for yourselves. If you find something you think is worth sharing I am sure everyone would be happy to see it and evaluate it for themselves.

Dr. Bob

[CaveatLector]

Do you all not see how absurd this is? You all have talked about how unfair it was that Joe ostracized you yet your doing the same thing to anyone that even says a kind word about Joe. I am not a mean person, I am not dumb, I am not sheep, I had only begun to really post or read this forum a few months before everything went crazy. I have been attacked time and time again for making a simple post or reply and for some unknown reason except that I do not bash Joe I am accused of such idiotic things it is down right ignorant. Disagreeing is OK and with this many strong personalities that is expected but to attack a person not the idea is wrong and should not be tolerated.

There are many here that belong to more then one site, many who have bashed other members here and MMMA as a whole at those forums, does anyone say they can not do that, anyone complain about that, does anyone say they should not be a member here because it is somehow a conflict of interest? I am here to learn and if I can contribute, to help others. I do not see anyone tearing the community apart as much as those that claim Joe was the worse and they are somehow better then.

The only way we are going to heal, and we need to do that, is to get past this and show each other a bit of respect. You don't like Joe, we get it, we don't have to be reminded of it constantly. I am sorry this all happened because there is a large rift still in this community but it is not Joe's fault now it is on you that continue this hatred you so freely spew. I thought we were here to support each other but maybe some people feel it is better to just fight and keep things stirred up. I can not help what Joe or anyone else says. It does not mean I have the same opinion just because I belong to the same forum. Just as no one here should be judged for what another person says and they happen to be friends with them.

What you are saying is that throngs of people were complaining that they were ostracized but that they are now hypocrites for ostracizing the one that manipulated, controlled, banned, spewed hate, and ostracized. Do you get how illogical your argument is? The whole point in keeping that other person at arms length is because he hasn't changed, he is still spewing hate, and he is still trying to run his control campaign. That isn't being a hypocrite that is called damage control and keeping the person away that drove the wedge into the community to begin with.

No one said you cannot belong to more than one site. I also belong to malamute's site at michigancannabispatients.com and bubblegrower's site. You can belong to whatever site you want and I don't think anyone here cares one way or the other. The only person that ever cared was that other person. Remember when people were banned or auto-edits were executed on posts where people dared type the name of another site? I think your arguments would be better directed at the person who did want to control what sites you visited or dared name.

As far as your opinion as to the "only way we are going to heal," I think you are way off. We already have healed. The major cannabis groups in this state are working together. Healthy debate once again can be found on these boards. Speech is no longer controlled like it was. So, yes, we healed. But inviting the fox back into the coop, that's just crazy. Unless, of course, the fox has reformed. But it hasn't and it continues to spew its hate and then you wonder why people want nothing to do with it...

[restlesslegs]

Oh bother, I am talking about the members here should not be attacked. No the healing will not be complete until the hatred and pettiness stops. Yes I have been told I should not be a member here and there at the same time by a few members here. Who said anything about Joe becoming a member here again I am talking about the people here who are friends with him, or not even maybe friends but like him, are attacked. Tell me that is OK?

EDIT what Joe was or did or what he still does is not what others should be judged on. We all should be judged on our own merit.

Edited by restlesslegs, 07 May 2012 - 01:10 PM.

[Dr. Bob]

Dang, well said CL.



Dr. Bob

Edited by Dr. Bob, 07 May 2012 - 01:08 PM.

[SFC]

Even today Restless, he still keeps on telling lies about CPU, the same lies we spent three weeks trying to correct here. He puts up video and tells YOU what to think of it. We put up video WE tell you to watch it for yourself and form your own opinion. You see the difference?

I am not giving up on you restless, on the contrary, I will do my best to open your eyes.

Edited by SFC, 07 May 2012 - 01:15 PM.

[restlesslegs]

Even today Restless, he still keeps on telling lies about CPU, the same lies we spent three weeks trying to correct here. He puts up video and tells YOU what to think of it. We put up video WE tell you to watch it for yourself and form your own opinion. You see the difference?

I am not giving up on you restless, on the contrary, I will do my best to open your eyes.

My eyes are wide open as is my heart and my mind. I only ask that our fellow members judge us for our own actions and not others.

[CaveatLector]

Oh bother, I am talking about the members here should not be attacked. No the healing will not be complete until the hatred and pettiness stops. Yes I have been told I should not be a member here and there at the same time by a few members here. Who said anything about Joe becoming a member here again I am talking about the people here who are friends with him, or not even maybe friends but like him, are attacked. Tell me that is OK?

I doubt you can find one instance where someone attacked a member simply because they were friends with that other person. What I see is people becoming very frustrated with others trying to push the other person's agenda on everyone here. The OP here, in my opinion, basically tried to mislead people with what was posted. He just as easily could have said, "here is the link to this other person's new site." But instead he tried to pass it off as something else. Don't treat the members here like they are stupid.

Lastly, by now everyone here knows what that other person did. You can be friendly with him as much as you want but expecting that people won't stigmatize you because of the people you choose to be friends with is rather naive. If I had a pedophile sex offender on my block and everyone knew he was a sex offender yet I decided to maintain a friendly relationship with him people would look down on me. That is human nature. You've heard the old saying, "You're only as good as the company you keep." It's an old saying for a reason, because it generally holds true...

[restlesslegs]

I doubt you can find one instance where someone attacked a member simply because they were friends with that other person..

That sir is untrue, I have been attacked multiple times here for just that fact alone.

[CaveatLector]

That sir is untrue, I have been attacked multiple times here for just that fact alone.

I haven't seen that. But I would expect to be attacked for being friendly with the neighborhood child molester even if I had done nothing wrong. As I said, human nature.

[Beans]

I haven't seen that. But I would expect to be attacked for being friendly with the neighborhood child molester even if I had done nothing wrong. As I said, human nature.

That is a really twisted analogy and you seem to be just salting old wounds

Edited by Beans, 07 May 2012 - 01:38 PM.

[restlesslegs]

Alright this is fruitless. Now you are comparing someone to a child molester and making it sound like I am friends with a child molester? Enough, I'm done. Judge on merit, judge on how you treat others. I state you are incorrect and this is how you treat me.

Edited by restlesslegs, 07 May 2012 - 01:38 PM.

[Dr. Bob]

So sorry you feel put upon Restless.

I think the issue at hand is that anyone that tries to come out supporting Joe is viewed with a bit of a jaundiced eye. You choose the company you keep, we don't. I don't judge you for it but you need to take in to account the damage he did to this community and have thicker skin. 'You are known by the company you keep' is an old saying. To that I would add you can 'vote with your feet' as well.

Personally, I like the idea of many voices here. I also like the idea of being a little selective about which ones I listen to.

Dr. Bob

[CaveatLector]

That is a really twisted analogy and you seem to be just salting old wounds

It illustrates a point. Next time I am attempting to get someone to understand something that is hard for them to grasp I'll run the analogy by you first for approval.

[Dr. Bob]

I also agree we have healed. I don't see the need to rehash it again. Good people, with many different ideas, have returned and the site is open again. I don't feel the need to head over and hear hate and bad ideas. We had 2 years of them here. You expect me to forgive and embrace someone that spread posts saying I was a drunk, a drug addict, and a criminal because he disagreed with my opinon on his farmer's market? I say Nay Nay.....

Dr. Bob

[restlesslegs]

So sorry you feel put upon Restless.

I think the issue at hand is that anyone that tries to come out supporting Joe is viewed with a bit of a jaundiced eye. You choose the company you keep, we don't. I don't judge you for it but you need to take in to account the damage he did to this community and have thicker skin. 'You are known by the company you keep' is an old saying. To that I would add you can 'vote with your feet' as well.

Personally, I like the idea of many voices here. I also like the idea of being a little selective about which ones I listen to.

Dr. Bob

Dr Bob My feelings are not hurt and I obviously have very thick skin or I would not still be here. As I said this is fruitless I only ask for respect for who I am. The old way of thinking is not always the best way of thinking. I don't want to argue with anyone that is part of the point I am trying to make.

[restlesslegs]

I also agree we have healed. I don't see the need to rehash it again. Good people, with many different ideas, have returned and the site is open again. I don't feel the need to head over and hear hate and bad ideas. We had 2 years of them here. You expect me to forgive and embrace someone that spread posts saying I was a drunk, a drug addict, and a criminal because he disagreed with my opinon on his farmer's market? I say Nay Nay.....

Dr. Bob

I did not ask you do to that or anyone! I ask you show me respect for who I am as an individual.

[CaveatLector]

Alright this is fruitless. Now you are comparing someone to a child molester and making it sound like I am friends with a child molester? Enough, I'm done. Judge on merit, judge on how you treat others. I state you are incorrect and this is how you treat me.

Really? I'm making it sound like you are friends with a child molester? Grow up. If that is what you took from what I wrote (that you are friends with a child molester) then your ability to think abstractly is so severely hindered that there is no point trying to discuss anything with you.

FYI I almost wrote retarded rather than hindered but seeing how you interpret things I figured I had better change my choice of words.

[Beans]

It illustrates a point. Next time I am attempting to get someone to understand something that is hard for them to grasp I'll run the analogy by you first for approval.