10 replies to this topic

[LongHairBri]

REALLY? these chemicals are garbage and killing our youth. how is a marijuana substitute that is lethal, legal? Then the substance it mimics, and is basiclly harmless, is illegal?

this country needs to wake up

[Hydro Jack]

It's all about the money...If the DARE program didnt exist then parents wouldnt be doing home drug tests.....Kids smoke this S H I T because it can't be detected in home drug trsts..Our children are dying because of this.....HJ

Edited by Hydro Jack, 30 May 2012 - 11:22 AM.

[zapatosunidos]

Happy joy, a new bill for us because of this:

http://www.legislatu...me=2012-HB-5681

[semicaregiver]

Happy joy, a new bill for us because of this:

http://www.legislatu...me=2012-HB-5681

Did you read that bill? It is a Commercial Grow and Dispensary bill disguised as a anti K2, spice, etc bill

[zapatosunidos]

Did you read that bill? It is a Commercial Grow and Dispensary bill disguised as a anti K2, spice, etc bill

Yes, very sneaky if they try to push it.

[mrd]

Remember that bill sponsored by Kuipers to have grow facilities , and the number of facilities was limited to 10 . The family business is greenhouse farming or something related, I believe. So he could greatly benefit from the bill. That bill was defeated but this looks like it might be being pushed by the same folks in Lansing.

Edited by mrd, 30 May 2012 - 02:22 PM.

[zapatosunidos]

Callton will be on the show tomorrow night to discuss this bill.

[Kevin]

Might sound a bit crazy to some folks but if those kids would have had a real joint, they would have either been a little buzzed at the dinner table, or at juvy hall, but not one at the morgue.

Thinking that more legislation will end this K2 problem is about the same as thinking that pissin' on a volcano will put out the fire.







Peace.

[LongHairBri]

NEWS FROM JUST THIS WEEK!!!


HACKENSACK, N.J. -- A New Jersey man who authorities say stabbed himself and threw pieces of his own skin and intestines at police remains hospitalized in critical condition.

Hackensack Police Lt. John Heinemann says officers encountered 43-year-old Wayne Carter around 10 a.m. Sunday when they responded to reports of a man barricaded in a room and threatening to harm himself.

Two officers kicked in the door and saw Carter in a corner, holding a knife in his hand. Ignoring their orders to drop the knife, Carter stood up and stabbed himself in the abdomen, legs and neck.

The officers then used pepper spray in a bid to subdue him, but it had no effect.

Heinemann says Carter then cut off pieces of his skin and intestines and threw them at the officers.




WJBK) - Despite the warnings of danger, some metro Detroit kids continue to experiment with the synthetic marijuana called K2. One child in Clinton Township smoked the drug and says it almost cost him his life.
Watch Taryn Asher's full video report above.

The drug K2 is getting a lot of attention in the news right now because it is the same drug that Tucker Cipriano and his friend Mitchell Young were on when they allegedly attacked the Cipriano family with baseball bats, killing Robert Cipriano.

Click here to see a similar teen's horrible experience with K2.




By Matt Pearce
May 29, 2012, 11:57 a.m.



We now know the name of the man who tried to eat another man’s face off on a Miami causeway. What we still don’t know is why he did it.
The Miami-Dade County medical examiner has identified the attacker as Rudy Eugene, 31, according to CBS Miami.
Witnesses and police have said Eugene was naked Saturday when he attacked another naked man on the MacArthur Causeway next to the Miami Herald building, chewing up to 80% of the victim’s face off. A police officer commanded him to stop, and when Eugene didn’t, the officer shot him as many as six times.
“The guy just stood, his head up like that, with pieces of flesh in his mouth. And he growled,” Larry Vega, a witness, told WSVN.
Officials have not released the officer’s name. As of Monday, the victim, also unidentified, remained in extremely critical condition at Jackson Memorial Hospital, according to the Miami Herald.
"I wouldn't say he had [a] mental problem," but he always felt as if people were against him, Eugene’s ex-wife told Local 10; the Miami Herald identified her as Jenny Ductant. “No one was for him, everyone was against him.”
The pair divorced in 2007 when the relationship got violent, she told Local 10, and the couple had not spoken to each other in three or four years.
Eugene had had several run-ins with police over the years. Miami Beach police arrested him when he was 16 on suspicion of committing battery, a charge that was later dropped, the Herald reported. He had also been arrested four times over the years on marijuana-related charges, trespassing and vending near a school, with the last charge coming in September 2009. It was also dropped.
Police initially speculated to local media that Eugene might have been suffering from “cocaine psychosis,” saying that taking too much of the drug prompts users to take their clothes off. Or maybe, they suggested, Eugene was high on LSD.
Both claims of possible “excited delirium,” caused by drugs, were met with skepticism.
“Two years ago, Miami New Times staff writer Gus Garcia-Roberts explored how Miami-Dade County led the nation in deaths attributed to excited delirium, which has been dismissed as junk science by the American Civil Liberties Union and families of the deceased who were diagnosed with the syndrome,” the Miami New Times noted Tuesday morning.
“It is not listed in textbooks or recognized by the American Medical Assn. or the American Psychiatric Assn.,” the New Times added.
An ER doctor at Jackson Memorial Hospital told the Herald that Eugene’s attack could have been brought on by bath salts, a drug nicknamed after the bathroom product, but no conclusive evidence has been presented to the public yet.
The mystery around the crime — as well as its sheer gruesomeness — have prompted international headlines, jokes and other general Internet obsessing over what looks an awful lot like a real-life zombie attack.
“..miami...media...still...in...denial...no...cocaine...just...flesh...and...brains...” tweeted a rather unfortunate new parody Twitter account, @TheMiamiZombie, just one example a cottage industry of Miami/zombie obsession capitalizing on the incident and running wild across the Internet over the last couple of days.
There appear to have been no parody accounts created for the victim as of yet

[LongHairBri]

and then there's this:

http://www.wired.com...hetic-drug-war/


Discarded wrapper from a packet of Spice, a popular synthetic cannabis mixture. Photo: Matto Fredriksson/Flickr

The war on drugs has a new front, and so far it appears to be a losing one.

Synthetic mimics of marijuana, dissociative drugs and stimulants — such as the “bath salts” allegedly consumed by Randy Eugene, the Florida man shot after a horrific face-eating assault — are growing in popularity and hard to control. Every time a compound is banned, overseas chemists synthesize a new version tweaked just enough to evade a law’s letter.

It’s a giant game of chemical Whack-a-Mole.

“Manufacturers turn these things around so quickly. One week you’ll have a product with compound X, the next week it’s compound Y,” said forensic toxicologist Kevin Shanks of AIT Laboratories, an Indiana-based chemical testing company.

“It’s fascinating how fast it can occur, and it’s fascinating to see the minute changes in chemical structure they’ll come up with. It’s similar, but it’s different,” Shanks continued.

During the last several years, the market for legal highs has exploded in North America and Europe. The names and ostensible purposes are almost comical — Cloud 9 Mad Hatter incense, Zombie Matter Ultra potpourri, Ivory Wave bath salts and Crystal Clean pipe cleaner — but the underlying chemistry is highly sophisticated.

Active ingredients in the drugs are compounds originally synthesized by institutional researchers whose esoteric scientific publications were mined by as-yet-unidentified chemists and neuroscientists working in Asia, where most of the new drugs appear to come from.

One class of popular cannabinoid mimics, for example, was developed by respected Clemson University organic chemist John Huffman, who sought to isolate marijuana’s chemical properties for use in cancer research. Other “legal high” ingredients have similar pedigrees, with designers including researchers at Israel’s Hebrew University and the pharmaceutical giant Pfizer.

While people raised on Reefer Madness-style exaggerations may be wary of claims that “legal high” drugs are dangerous, researchers say they’re far more potent than the originals.

“The results are toxic and very dangerous, especially for vulnerable people — people with previous psychotic episodes — and the young,” said Liana Fattore, a chemist at Italy’s Institute of Neuroscience.

Fattore, whose research specialty is cannabinoids and the new wave of THC mimics, says the new drugs often contain unpredictable mixes of these extra-potent compounds. The same goes for synthetic stimulants and dissociatives.

Reports of psychotic episodes following synthetic drug use are common and have led to a variety of controls in U.S. cities, states and the federal government. The latest ban was approved by the U.S. Senate in May.


Diagram depicting some possible derivatives of methcathinone, an illegal stimulant. Structural differences are in red. Image: Kevin Shanks

So far, however, these aren’t working. In a May 14 Journal of Analytical Toxicology study, Shanks’ team described AIT’s tests of legal drugs purchased since the Drug Enforcement Agency’s 2010 bans of three synthetic stimulants and five synthetic cannabinoids.

A full 95 percent of the products contained compounds not covered by the law. They’d been subtly tweaked so as to possess a different, legal molecular form while performing the same psychopharmaceutical role.

A Toxicology Letters study published earlier in May described similar adjustments in derivatives of pipradol, a controlled stimulant.

“If you want any evidence that drugs have won the drug war, you just need to read the scientific studies on legal highs,” wrote Vaughan Bell at MindHacks, a neuroscience blog that’s covered legal highs in depth.

While it’s conceivable that laws could be adjusted to reflect each new ingredient, it would be highly impractical: Between 400 and 450 compounds were synthesized by Huffman alone, and those represent just one of four major groups of cannabinoid mimics.

Stimulant and dissociative derivatives are less numerous, the portfolio of possible derivatives still includes hundreds of forms. A compound-by-compound pursuit could last for decades.

An obvious alternative approach is to ban entire classes of similar compounds rather than focusing on individual forms. However, Shanks said this is easier said than done.

“The problem with that is, what does ‘chemically similar’ really mean?” Shanks said. “Change the structure in a small way — move a molecule here, move something to the other side of the molecule — and while I might think it’s an analogue, another chemist might disagree.”

Shanks is a member of the Advisory Committee on Controlled Substance Analogues, an informal group of chemists, toxicologists and other experts trying to agree on common standards of chemical similarity.

“That’s the crux of the entire problem,” Shanks said. “The scientific community does not agree on what ‘analogue’ essentially means.”

[williamclinton]

Calling this garbage synthetic marijuana is ridiculous! It is nothing like cannabis. Weed cures seizures, it doesn't cause them. The smoke shop jokers pushing this garbage to make a fast buck should be in stockades for all to admire.