Cannabis Cures Cancer

[peanutbutter]

The one thing authorities are afraid they will read here.

 

Cannabis cures stuff.

[cristinew]

chaga and cannabis oil will cure a planter wart,,,,, that stuff is heavy duty,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[peanutbutter]

The show airs on Jan 11:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIrT_oTvd3I

[cristinew]

Very Cool,,,,,,,,,

 

thanks for posting,

[Restorium2]

The one thing authorities are afraid they will read here.

 

Cannabis cures stuff.

That is an idiotic statement. But carry on. It's your right, and it gives us all the chance to show that there are definitely varying degrees of ridiculousness here. In other words, we aren't all mind bent into thinking that all 'authorities' are the same. Some posters think that kind of rhetoric is cool, some understand it's not doing cannabis or it's patients any good at all. It really depends on your motivations how determined you are with your motives.

[cristinew]

The Pure Food And Drug Act of 1906 makes you back up the cure before you can put it on the label,

[Restorium2]

The Pure Food And Drug Act of 1906 makes you back up the cure before you can put it on the label,

But you can say whatever you want on the internet. You can hire folks to bolster your claims too. Give them perks to say just the right thing to help your sales.

[cristinew]

And if you have lots of money you can buy off the FDA and get your unsafe medicine approved

[cristinew]

Anyway it is nice to see cannabis working so well in this girls life,

[peanutbutter]

Don't you feel guilty for telling dying patients that cannabis doesn't cure cancer?

 

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/papsite-radio/2013/01/05/high-noon

[GrowGoddess]

Don't you feel guilty for telling dying patients that cannabis doesn't cure cancer?

 

http://www.blogtalkr...01/05/high-noon

 

I already know it can cure cancer, but what I didn't know is it can be great for sinus problems. One of my patients listened to the show today and heard them talking about cannabis oil (RSO) being good for clearing sinuses. So, he tried it, put a little dab in each nostril, and it worked! He has tried many other remedies and nothing ever really worked.

[Hawkind]

There is no cure for cancer, sad but true!

[GrowGoddess]

There is no cure for cancer, sad but true!

 

I am sorry, but you are mistaken.

 

1. I have seen people cured with radiation (not recommended)

2. I have seen people cured with chemotherapy (not recommended)

2.5 I have seen people cured with surgery.

3. I have seen people cured with faith and their religion all by itself (fully recommended)

4. I have seen people on videos who were cured by changing their diet to high alkaline 8 or higher (no comment)

5. I have heard of people being cured with a certain plant that grows in the amazon (needs more research)

6. I have personally cured a person of Hodgkin's Lymphoma (cancer) with concentrated cannabis oil, the highest quality oil I can make. He has proof of having the cancer, and proof of the cancer being gone. He is going on two years of being cancer free. Joe Crowe, look him up on facebook and feel free to ask him yourself.

7. Just took on a new cancer patient who will also have his cancer cured with concentrated cannabis oil and you will hear more about it real soon.

 

No motive here, I take zero compensation for the oil for cancer patients.

 

Just the way I see it and have experienced it.

 

I honor my God in heaven and walk with my Lord and savior Jesus Christ.

Edited January 6, 2013 by GrowGoddess

[Celliach]

Don't you feel guilty for telling dying patients that cannabis doesn't cure cancer?

 

http://www.blogtalkr...01/05/high-noon

 

Don't you feel guilty for making posts like this? Sheesh!

[Celliach]

Placebos cure cancer. Are you sure that you aren't experiencing a placebo effect? How are you sure?

http://www.cancer.org/treatment/treatmentsandsideeffects/treatmenttypes/placebo-effect

 

Placebo Effect

 

What is a placebo?

A placebo (pluh-see-bow) is a substance or other kind of treatment that looks just like a regular treatment or medicine, but it’s not. It’s actually an inactive “look-alike” treatment or substance. This means it’s not a medicine. The person getting a placebo does not know for sure that the treatment is not real. Sometimes the placebo is in the form of a “sugar pill,” but a placebo can also be an injection, a liquid, or even a procedure. It’s designed to look like a real treatment, but doesn’t directly affect the illness.

What is the placebo effect?

Even though they do not act on the disease, placebos seem to affect how people feel (this happens in up to 1 out of 3 patients). A change in a person’s symptoms as a result of getting a placebo is called the placebo effect. Usually the term “placebo effect” speaks to the helpful effects a placebo has in relieving symptoms. This effect usually lasts only a short time. It’s thought to have something to do with the body’s chemical ability to briefly relieve pain or certain other symptoms.

But sometimes the effect goes the other way, and causes unpleasant symptoms or worse. These may include headaches, nervousness, nausea, or constipation, to name a few of the possible “side effects.” The unpleasant effects that happen after getting a placebo are sometimes called the nocebo effect.

Together, these 2 types of outcomes are sometimes called expectation effects. This means that the person taking the placebo may experience something along the lines of what he or she expects to happen. If a person expects to feel better, that may happen. If the person believes that he or she is getting a strong medicine, the placebo may be thought to cause the side effects. The placebo does not cause any of these effects directly. Instead, the person’s belief in or experience of the placebo helps change the symptoms, or change the way the person perceives the symptoms.

Some patients can have the placebo effect without getting a pill, shot, or procedure. Some may just feel better from visiting the doctor or doing something else they believe will help. That type of placebo effect seems most related to the degree of confidence and faith the patient has in the doctor or activity.

How are placebos used?

Placebos may be used in clinical trials. Clinical trials are research studies testing new drugs or other treatments in volunteers. Before a new treatment is used on people, it’s studied in the lab. If lab studies suggest the treatment will work, the next step is to test it on animals. If that also gives promising results, it may then be tested in clinical trials to see if it has value for patients. The main questions the researchers want to answer are:

• Does this treatment work?
  
• Does it work better than what we’re now using?
  
• What side effects does it cause?
  
• Do the benefits of the treatment outweigh the risks?
  
• Which patients are most likely to find this treatment helpful?
  

If standard treatments for the disease are already available, the new treatment is usually compared to one of these treatments. This tells researchers if the new treatment is as good as or better than the one that’s currently available.

If there’s no approved treatment for an illness or condition, some people in the study may be given a placebo, while others get the new treatment being tested. The main reason to have a placebo group is to be sure that any effects that happen are actually caused by the treatment and not some other factor.

The placebo looks, tastes, or feels just like the actual treatment, so that the patient’s and the doctor’s expectations don’t affect the outcomes. The placebo control makes it possible to “blind” patients and doctors to what treatment they’re getting. In a double-blind controlled study, neither the volunteers taking part in the study nor their doctors know who’s getting which treatment. This study design helps avoid biases in measuring outcomes that can be caused by the researchers’ or the patients’ expectations about the treatment. This is not as big a problem in studies of cancer treatment, where objective outcome measures are most often used. It’s more likely in studies that require patient reporting for symptoms like depression, sleeplessness, or pain.

If you would like to know more about clinical trials, see our document called Clinical Trials: What You Need to Know.

People in a study that uses a placebo should always know that there’s a chance they could be getting a placebo. It’s not OK to give someone a treatment in a clinical trial and not mention that it could be a placebo. Please see our document Informed Consent for more information on this.

Those who get placebos in medical studies serve an important role. Their responses help provide a good way to measure the actual effect of the treatment being tested. The placebo group provides an important baseline with which to compare the treatment group. It helps researchers see what would have happened without the treatment, though both groups may still have some short-term effects based on what the patient expects. For instance, illnesses that sometimes go away on their own might be thought to get better because of the medicine, unless there’s a placebo group and those people get better too. On the other side, bad effects that were going to happen anyway, or that occur from some unrelated cause, may be blamed on the treatment unless they also happen to people in the placebo group.

How does the placebo effect work?

In the past, some researchers have questioned whether there’s convincing proof that the placebo effect is a real effect. But there are studies showing that the placebo effect is real. For example, scientists have recorded brain activity in response to placebo. Since many scientific tests have shown the placebo effect, it’s one way we know for sure that the mind and body are connected.

Some scientific evidence suggests that the placebo effect may be partly due to the release of endorphins in the brain. Endorphins are the body’s natural pain killers. But there’s probably more to it than this.

Many think the placebo effect occurs because the patient believes in the substance, the treatment, or the doctor. The patient’s thoughts and feelings somehow cause short-term physical changes in the brain or body. The patient expects to feel better, and so he or she does feel better for some time. But even if a person feels better after taking a placebo, it doesn’t mean the person’s illness or symptoms were not real. For instance, the person may feel less anxious, so stress hormones drop. Taking a placebo may change their perception — for example, a person might re-interpret a sharp pain as uncomfortable tingling.

What’s commonly called the placebo effect even plays a role in mainstream medicine. Many people feel better after they get medical treatments that they expect to work. But the opposite can also happen, and this seems to support the idea of the expectation effect even more. For example, in one study, people with Alzheimer’s disease got less relief from pain medicines. These patients required higher doses — possibly because they had forgotten they were getting the drugs, or they forgot that the pain medicines had worked for them before.

This suggests that past experiences also play into the placebo effect. In one study that looked at the placebo effect in pain relief, one group got a real pain medicine and the other did not. In the following days, both groups were given a placebo that looked like the real pain medicine. Those who had gotten the real pain medicine were able to tolerate more pain than those who had not gotten pain medicines before.

In the same study, people who were given a drug that raised a certain hormone level beforehand actually had a similar (but smaller) hormone response when they were given a placebo later. Those who had not gotten the real drug beforehand had no change in their hormone levels when they got the placebo, even though they were told that they would. This helped to separate the power of the researcher telling them they would have an effect from the learned experience of having the effect in the past. This type of learned response after personal experience is called theconditioning effect. It seems to be part of what we call the placebo effect.

The nocebo effect, in which a person has more symptoms or side effects after a placebo, is still being studied. Researchers believe it may be partly explained by a substance in the body that sends messages through the nerves. When a person is anxious, for instance, the substance is activated and the person feels more pain than a person who isn’t anxious. The nocebo effect shows up in the brain: brain-imaging studies have shown that pain is more intense when a person expects more pain than when they don’t. This is linked to changes in certain brain regions on the imaging studies.

Although we may not know exactly how it works, the idea that the mind can affect the body has been around for thousands of years and is well-proven in certain situations. Many ancient cultures depended on mind-body connections to treat illness. Shamans or medicine men would not have viewed their efforts as placebos. But their healing powers may have worked partly through the patient’s strong belief that the shaman’s treatments would restore health. Or it could be that a sick person was going to get better anyway, but the recovery was thought to be because of the treatment — which might have really done nothing for the illness.

Because placebos often have an effect, even if the effect doesn’t last long, some people think that the placebo produced a cure. But placebos do not cure. And in studies where doctors are looking at whether a tumor shrinks, placebos have very little, if any, effect.

Still, placebos clearly can help reduce certain symptoms such as pain, anxiety, and trouble sleeping in some people. In earlier times, placebos were sometimes given by doctors out of frustration or desperation, because nothing else was available or seemed to work. They might even be tried today — a 2008 study found that nearly half of the doctors polled said that they used a placebo when they felt that it might help the patient feel better.

Sometimes if the placebo looks more real, the person may think it’s an active medicine or treatment and believe in its power even more. For example, a larger pill may look more powerful than a small pill. And in some people, an injection may have a stronger placebo effect than a pill.

Some believe that placebos seem to work because many illnesses improve over time even without treatment. People may also take better care of themselves by exercising, eating healthier, or resting if they are taking a placebo. Just as natural endorphins may relieve pain once they are released, some research shows the brain may respond to an imagined scene much as it would to something it actually sees. A placebo may help the brain remember a time before the symptoms and bring about a chemical change. This is a theory called remembered wellness.

Some scientists believe that the effects of many alternative therapies may simply be a placebo effect. If the patient believes in the treatment and wants it to work, it can seem to do so, at least for a while. If this effect worked on an illness that usually would not get better on its own, and it lasted, it would be considered a real cure, not a placebo effect.

Finally, there’s evidence to suggest that what a patient expects about real medicines can influence how the patient feels after the medicine is taken. Even though responses from real drugs aren’t typically thought of as placebo effects, some short-term effects are affected by expectations — good ones as well as bad.

There’s still much to find out about the placebo effect and all the ways it may work. Researchers agree that the placebo effect cannot cure people or make them live substantially longer. Still, they continue to study it in order to learn more about it, and find out whether and how it may be used to help people feel better.

Other things that can add to or be confused for the placebo effect

Certain other factors can affect study outcomes, and may be confused with the placebo effect. These are effects that can cause a study to report that a placebo (or even a treatment) had some effect when in reality, it didn’t.

Timing of unrelated events

Along with the placebo or nocebo effect, incidental events (unrelated effects that might have happened without the placebo) might also be linked to the placebo because of their timing. For example, a headache or rash that happens soon after taking a placebo could be caused by something else entirely, but the person might think the placebo caused it. The same can be said for good outcomes: if a person happened to start feeling better after taking a placebo, that improvement may be thought to be due to the placebo.

Healing or changes in symptoms

A health problem that improves on its own (many do) can sometimes add to what’s thought of as the placebo effect. Even in serious conditions such as cancer, some types appear to get better and worse on their own, although they continue to spread and worsen over time. This is part of the effect of timing, noted above. A person who was taking a placebo when symptoms started improving on their own is very likely to believe that the placebo had some effect. And a self-limited illness that goes away completely on its own at such a time might have the placebo-taker convinced it was a miracle drug.

Patient reporting

Lack of blinding can affect reporting of these kinds of coincidental timing effects and belief in what caused them. For example, people who know they’re getting placebos will know that their headache is not due to the medicine, and may not report it. Those who know they are getting the real medicine are more likely to believe that the medicine is causing the headache, and are more likely to report it. Blinding helps to balance these incidental timing effects.

Self-report of symptoms on a scale

Studies comparing placebo to no treatment found that patients were more likely to tell the study investigator that there was some improvement in their comfort if they were on placebo. This was observed when the patient had to rank their symptoms on a scale, say, from 1 to 10. When the patients’ rankings were compared with outcomes others could measure (signs, like swelling or movement) there would be no improvement in the measurable outcome. Some researchers believe this is due to patients wanting to give the investigator good news. It may also be that the patient is comparing current symptoms to the worst discomfort this problem had caused in the past.

Getting outside treatment

The patient who isn’t getting better in a study may also seek outside medical help without mentioning it to investigators. Or outside treatment for a related problem may help the symptom being studied in the clinical trial. This can affect outcomes for both the placebo and treatment groups.

Study dropouts

People who are not getting better in the study, including those on placebo, are more likely to leave the study before it’s over. This means that people who aren’t helped are less likely to be counted in the final analysis. This makes any treatment look as if it works better than it does, because the people who felt better during treatment were more likely to have their results counted at the end of the study than those who didn’t.

[peanutbutter]

New update from the government. http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/healthprofessional/page4

 

Antitumor Effects tumors.[3] During this 2-year study, groups of mice and rats were given various doses of THC by gavage. A dose-related decrease in the incidence of hepatic adenoma tumors and hepatocellular carcinoma was observed in the mice. Decreased incidences of benign tumors (polyps and adenomas) in other organs (mammary gland, uterus, pituitary, testis, and pancreas) were also noted in the rats. In another study, delta-9-THC, delta-8-THC, and cannabinol were found to inhibit the growth of Lewis lung adenocarcinoma cells in vitro and in vivo .[4] In addition, other tumors have been shown to be sensitive to cannabinoid-induced growth inhibition.[5-8]

antitumor effects by various mechanisms, including induction of cell death, inhibition of cell growth, and inhibition of tumor angiogenesis invasion and metastasis.[9-12] One review summarizes the molecular mechanisms of action of cannabinoids as antitumor agents.[13] Cannabinoids appear to kill tumor cells but do not affect their nontransformed counterparts and may even protect them from cell death. These compounds have been shown to induce apoptosis in glioma cells in culture and induce regression of glioma tumors in mice and rats. Cannabinoids protect normal glial cells of astroglial and oligodendroglial lineages from apoptosis mediated by the CB1 receptor.[14]

synthetic agonist of the CB2 receptor were investigated in hepatocellular carcinoma (HCC).[15] Both agents reduced the viability of hepatocellular carcinoma cells in vitro and demonstrated antitumor effects in hepatocellular carcinoma subcutaneous xenografts in nude mice. The investigations documented that the anti-HCC effects are mediated by way of the CB2 receptor. Similar to findings in glioma cells, the cannabinoids were shown to trigger cell death through stimulation of an endoplasmic reticulum stress pathway that activates autophagy and promotes apoptosis. Other investigations have confirmed that CB1 and CB2 receptors may be potential targets in non-small cell lung carcinoma [16] and breast cancer.[17]

estrogen receptor–positive and estrogen receptor–negative breast cancer cell lines, inducing apoptosis in a concentration-dependent manner while having little effect on nontumorigenic, mammary cells.[18]

chemopreventive effect in a mouse model of colon cancer.[19] In the experimental system, azoxymethane increased premalignant and malignant lesions in the mouse colon. Animals treated with azoxymethane and CBD concurrently were protected from developing premalignant and malignant lesions. In in vitro experiments involving colorectal cancer cell lines, the investigators found that CBD protected DNA from oxidative damage, increased endocannabinoid levels, and reduced cell proliferation.

12] ICAM-1 expression has been reported to be negatively correlated with cancer metastasis. In lung cancer cell lines, CBD upregulated ICAM-1, leading to decreased cancer cell invasiveness.

subcutaneous tumors were generated by inoculating the animals with cells from human non-small cell lung carcinoma cell lines.[20] Tumor growth was inhibited by 60% in THC-treated mice compared with vehicle-treated control mice. Tumor specimens revealed that THC had antiangiogenic and antiproliferative effects. However, research with immunocompetent murine tumor models has demonstrated immunosuppression and enhanced tumor growth in mice treated with THC.[21,22]

endogenous cannabinoids have been studied for anti-inflammatory effects. A mouse study demonstrated that endogenous cannabinoid system signaling is likely to provide intrinsic protection against colonic inflammation.[23] As a result, a hypothesis that phytocannabinoids and endocannabinoids may be useful in the risk reduction and treatment of colorectal cancer has been developed.[24-27]

Edited January 6, 2013 by peanutbutter

[Dr. Bob]

Don't you feel guilty for telling dying patients that cannabis doesn't cure cancer?

 

http://www.blogtalkr...01/05/high-noon

 

Don't you feel guilty telling them it does? Just so you can sell them some hope?

 

Dr. Bob

[Restorium2]

Don't you feel guilty telling them it does? Just so you can sell them some hope?

 

Dr. Bob

It goes a lot further than that. They ask for cannabis donations for dying cancer patients and then sell that. I have talked with folks that eye witnessed this.

[peanutbutter]

Real nice .. you folks are telling people to just give up and die ..

[Restorium2]

Real nice .. you folks are telling people to just give up and die ..

No, we are telling folks that you don't have anyone's best interest in mind, other than your own. It's just the way you are. You shouldn't be near any vulnerable sick people.

[peanutbutter]

I don't see anyone responding here that wants cannabis to be good for anything else except getting high.

[Restorium2]

I don't see anyone responding here that wants cannabis to be good for anything else except getting high.

That's totally wrong. Why are you pretending to even care about that?

[Dr. Bob]

I don't see anyone responding here that wants cannabis to be good for anything else except getting high.

 

Who ever taught you to debate? We call you on your snake oil crap claims, and all of the sudden we are the bad people saying cannabis is only for making people high? That is how you rally people to support your claims?

 

Cannabis is good for a lot of things, from getting pain relief without narcotics (or getting off narcotics) to crohn's disease, to asthma, to anxiety and ptsd. I've seen very good results with skin cancers and brain tumors in isolated incidents. But I would never claim it cured cancer, or crohns, or was that medibles were the ONLY form of cannabis that would relieve or be effective with pain.

 

You on the other hand have an economic incentive to claim your magic oil cures everything from hemorrhoids to nightmares, this latest attempt to economically gain from vulnerable people looking for hope is sickening. I don't know what is worse, recommending clearly dangerous treatments (injecting unsterile gunk into deep diabetic wounds), or your attempt to sell something as a cure all for desperate people grasping at straws.

 

Say it has helped some people, that it can be viewed as a punt on 4th and 40 and MAYBE the other side will fumble and you can recover, but don't tell people it is a magic touchdown without clearly qualifying it.

 

At first I gave you some leeway because your claims were pretty harmless- total body pain relief. That didn't hurt people medically or psychologically, If it didn't pan out, they simply would try something else and weren't at risk. Now you are setting them up for a crushing blow at a time they are very fragile. Or you are putting their limbs at risk. I sincerely hope that man in Jackson doesn't end up losing his leg because he listened to your internet rants about your 'magic goo' with the 'secret ingredients'. That would be sickening, but I doubt you care if they are putting money in your pocket.

 

Dr. Bob

[Sledge]

A "debate''

This is pretty close to ending, peanutbutter. Would you like to end it or should I? Your behavior is completely inappropriate for this site.

 

pretty close?

[GrowGoddess]

Wow

 

What a disappointment. Trolling, attacks, vicious dialogue.

 

I thought getting rid of the previous CEO was going to make improvements here. Boy, was I mistaken!

 

I have been learning that I have been mistaken on many things lately. I have seen so many true colors come to light over the past six months.

 

Using this forum to attack others is not something I am willing to partake in any longer.

 

I almost feel embarrassed to be registered here.

 

This time it is not the board that has let everyone down, it is a certain group in the community that has. The same group that is ready to strike at anyone who does not have their same opinions of certain subjects.

 

What a shame. No wonder the numbers have been dwindling so drastically over the past few months. Members, guests, everyone.

 

The enemy deserves no mercy, mercy is for the weak... Is that the new philosophy for MMMA? Also, if you don't have an enemy, then find one quick. There is no better high than cutting people down.

 

Just a shame.

 

I hope in the near future MMMA can get back on track. When I see threads like this, I even get uncomfortable to post anything, whether it be good or bad, right or wrong. Truthfully speaking, I feel if I leave one little crack in the door, that a certain group will take advantage and push the door wide open and strike.

 

If it makes me uncomfortable to state an opinion or post a question, I wonder how new people feel?

 

Sometimes it is better to say nothing rather than saying the same things over and over again. Can we just put the PB thing to rest?

 

I truly believe that as a community, we can be better citizens. No one person is guilty, we all are.