Relocating From Wa To Mi

[WashingtonTurtle]

hey I'm an experienced grower and collective volunteer at a clinic in Washington State but in January, I'll be moving to the Grand Rapids area

 

I've looked into the laws a bit and have kinda come to the conclusion that its mostly a patient-to-grower basis for donations (ie not to many collectives can legally stay open sadly), So I was kinda just wanting to hear from some successful "Self-collective" gardeners and how it kinda works for them and their patients? Sorry, I'm not exactly sure how to word what I'm looking to hear, I think mostly just reassurance that my career/profession can continue to grow after my big move. Washington has a collective on every corner and I never really have a hard time moving medication through them, So its gonna be quite a difference for me.

 

Hydro DWC tent growing is mostly what do but I also do 145mg+ edibles HPLC tested and all.

 

THANKS FOR READING AND HOPE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH AMAZING MEDICATION SOON!

[t-pain]

the michigan atty general said all dispensaries are illegal.

the supreme court said collective growing was not protected by section 4

 

people v bylsma:

 

we must determine whether § 4 of the
Michigan Medical Marihuana Act (MMMA) provides a registered primary caregiver
with immunity when growing marijuana collectively with other registered primary
caregivers and registered qualifying patients. We hold that § 4 does not contemplate such
collective action.

 

there is no market here for collectives, dispensaries, co-ops, none of that.

patients and caregivers only. and each cg only provides for 5 patients.

 

the police just arrested a cg who was selling meds out of his car to patients.

the state and feds have both prosecuted co-ops and dispensary employees even tho they were all registered as caregivers and patients.

 

its not a good place for medical marijuana yet, even 5 years later. lots of prohibitionists.

 

at least dont move until HB4271 is voted on. if you really have your heart set for selling overages to dispensaries.

that bill should make such activity legal. although i dont see it being financially sound.

 

good luck.

[Wild Bill]

hey I'm an experienced grower and collective volunteer at a clinic in Washington State but in January, I'll be moving to the Grand Rapids area

 

How sad.

 

http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/topic/44378-healing-or-dealing-grand-rapids-medical-marijuana-dispensary-owner-heads-to-trial/

Edited September 18, 2013 by Wild Bill

[Celliach]

I don't want to discourage you but.....

 

Don't count on doing large grows here.  Legally you are only allowed to care for five patients and each patient has a limit of 12 plants, for a total of 60, plus you can have 12 more for yourself, if you are a patient.   

 

You are not allowed to grow any plants until you have registered a patient.  Yo have to have the patient before you can grow for them.  It's almost impossible to register a patient if you tell them you can't supply them until the first crop comes through.  To get started, most caregivers in Michigan became patients first.  When they had a successful 12 plant grow going, then they took on a patient, expanding one patient at a time as they gained the ability to care for one more person.

 

As an out-of-towner it may be harder for you to find patients.

[WashingtonTurtle]

I don't want to discourage you but.....

 

Don't count on doing large grows here.  Legally you are only allowed to care for five patients and each patient has a limit of 12 plants, for a total of 60, plus you can have 12 more for yourself, if you are a patient.   

 

You are not allowed to grow any plants until you have registered a patient.  Yo have to have the patient before you can grow for them.  It's almost impossible to register a patient if you tell them you can't supply them until the first crop comes through.  To get started, most caregivers in Michigan became patients first.  When they had a successful 12 plant grow going, then they took on a patient, expanding one patient at a time as they gained the ability to care for one more person.

 

As an out-of-towner it may be harder for you to find patients.

 

 

I'm a pretty paperwork and legal-beagal oriented grower, even with living in such a legal state like washington.

This does make me kinda sad because I'm used to going anywhere and meeting multiple growers and patients and establishing connections, this looks and seems ALOT different and more difficult haha...

But it doesn't discourage lil ol me completely.

 

So you can have 12 plants per every medical authorization you provide for, including your own? thats the BASIC rule for medical patients out here too but it isn't enforced in any way and their isn't a limit on how many patients you can provide for. How do you register patients as your patients out there? Here you just take a copy of their authorization and Identification and hang it in your room (if you get raided, you have them there on your wall to show them your legalness) BUT no one raids gardeners in Washington haha.

 

Also, If your husband and you are both legal patients, does that mean you can legally grow 24 plants off the back?

And how do you get authorized as a caregiver and as a patient in Michigan? (Its just your doctor out here)

 

Sorry for all the questions you guys thanks for helping me out

[WashingtonTurtle]

How sad.

 

http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/topic/44378-healing-or-dealing-grand-rapids-medical-marijuana-dispensary-owner-heads-to-trial/

 

Thats incredibly sad

[+Malamute]

I'm a pretty paperwork and legal-beagal oriented grower, even with living in such a legal state like washington.

This does make me kinda sad because I'm used to going anywhere and meeting multiple growers and patients and establishing connections, this looks and seems ALOT different and more difficult haha...

But it doesn't discourage lil ol me completely.

 

So you can have 12 plants per every medical authorization you provide for, including your own? thats the BASIC rule for medical patients out here too but it isn't enforced in any way and their isn't a limit on how many patients you can provide for. How do you register patients as your patients out there? Here you just take a copy of their authorization and Identification and hang it in your room (if you get raided, you have them there on your wall to show them your legalness) BUT no one raids gardeners in Washington haha.

 

Also, If your husband and you are both legal patients, does that mean you can legally grow 24 plants off the back?

And how do you get authorized as a caregiver and as a patient in Michigan? (Its just your doctor out here)

 

Sorry for all the questions you guys thanks for helping me out

 

 

 Well first off, I would read the law and rules and FAQ on the State website:

 

http://www.michigan.gov/lara/0,4601,7-154-35299_63294_63303_51869---,00.html

 

 

From there,...you must register to the state each patient who wishes to assign you as their caregiver(takes a few weeks).

 

If both husband and wife are patients, they can each grow 12 plants in a separate locked enclosed facility unless one of you assigns the other as their caregiver and sign over their rights to possess plants, in which case, the caregiver can grow the 24 plants in one enclosed locked facility and the non plant possessing person cannot have access to said locked enclosed facility. 

[Wild Bill]

Thats incredibly sad

 

It could be worse, at least you're not coming to Oakland county.

 

These links will give you somewhere to start. They can be found at the top of each page on this forum. There are sections for patients, caregivers. health professionals and compassion clubs.

 

Do your best to learn the letter of the law.

The police and prosecutors can't seem to understand it no matter how hard they try.

 

Michigan Medical Marihuana Act

Becoming A Caregiver

Caregiver Standards

Guaranteed Protections

Affirmative Defense

Administrative Rules

Michigan State Police Legal Updates

 

Legal Update No. 103 (06/13) is the most recent ruling on medical cannabis.

Medical Marihuana: The protections of the Michigan Medical Marihuna Act extend to a registered qualifying patient who internally possesses marihuana while operating a vehicle unless the patient is under the influence of marihuana;

 

A registered qualifying patient is not entitled to immunity from arrest prosecution, or penalty under section 4 of the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act for transferring marihuana to another registered qualifying patient.

 

A registered primary caregiver is not entitled to immunity under section 4 of the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act for transferring marihuana to anyone other than a registered qualifying patient connected to the caregiver through Michigan's registration process;

 

Section 4 of the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act does not provide a registered primary caregiver with immunity from arrest, prosecution, or penalty when growing marihuana collectively with other registered primary caregivers and registered qualifying patients;

 

The definition section of the Michigan Medical Marihuana Act was amended, including provisions for growing marihuana plants outdoors; The Michigan Penal Code amended to include restrictions on transporting usable marihuana in or upon a motor vehicle.

 

Basically a patient can acquire their cannabis anywhere and they are protected, but no one can legally give it to them except for their registered caregiver.

 

Good luck and stay safe.

[WashingtonTurtle]

You guys are awesome! Thank you so much!

[Celliach]

How do you register patients as your patients out there?

 

You don't really.  It's more like they register you.  You can't be a person's caregiver unless they send the proper paperwork into the state when they register as patients.  You'll both receive an ID card from the state.

[WashingtonTurtle]

You don't really. It's more like they register you. You can't be a person's caregiver unless they send the proper paperwork into the state when they register as patients. You'll both receive an ID card from the state.

That's sooooo weird and bizarre!! I'm definitely gonna have to do some reading

Where's the confidentiality in that?! Haha patients out here would hate that!

[Celliach]

According to the law, the list of patients and caregivers is kept confidential.  In practice, I'm not sure that it is.

 

That's why I was saying you might have trouble as an out-of-towner.  You have to meet a patient before you can grow for them.

[WashingtonTurtle]

According to the law, the list of patients and caregivers is kept confidential. In practice, I'm not sure that it is.

 

That's why I was saying you might have trouble as an out-of-towner. You have to meet a patient before you can grow for them.

So I've read a bit on the law and I just read the becoming a caregiver part and it's so intense, does this actually work for you guys as caregivers??

 

I definitely don't want to put myself in an impossible situation with law enforcement even with abiding lawfully.

 

Experience wise, can you be a successful medical patient and caregiver in Michigan and still abide by all the laws with no trouble?

[Celliach]

You can't make a bunch of money, but if you know what you're doing it's like a good part-time job.  You can also play it risky and sell to a broader range of patients.  There are people here that operate web-based/advertised mobile dispensaries, making deliveries to you.  One of those people is currently involved in a child custody case with the state, ( http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/topic/44394-6-month-old-taken-from-parents-with-video/ ) so I'm not so sure how safe it is, but you can definitely make some money at least for a while.

[+Malamute]

So I've read a bit on the law and I just read the becoming a caregiver part and it's so intense, does this actually work for you guys as caregivers??

 

I definitely don't want to put myself in an impossible situation with law enforcement even with abiding lawfully.

 

Experience wise, can you be a successful medical patient and caregiver in Michigan and still abide by all the laws with no trouble?

 

 

I would say about 99% of caregivers have zero problem utilizing the law. 99+++% of patients.

[WashingtonTurtle]

You can't make a bunch of money, but if you know what you're doing it's like a good part-time job. You can also play it risky and sell to a broader range of patients. There are people here that operate web-based/advertised mobile dispensaries, making deliveries to you. One of those people is currently involved in a child custody case with the state, ( http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/topic/44394-6-month-old-taken-from-parents-with-video/ ) so I'm not so sure how safe it is, but you can definitely make some money at least for a while.

Ouch yeah i definitely don't deal in risky business I'm sorry to hear about that family tho

[greenleaf]

I'm a pretty paperwork and legal-beagal oriented grower, even with living in such a legal state like washington.

This does make me kinda sad because I'm used to going anywhere and meeting multiple growers and patients and establishing connections, this looks and seems ALOT different and more difficult haha...

But it doesn't discourage lil ol me completely.

 

So you can have 12 plants per every medical authorization you provide for, including your own? thats the BASIC rule for medical patients out here too but it isn't enforced in any way and their isn't a limit on how many patients you can provide for. How do you register patients as your patients out there? Here you just take a copy of their authorization and Identification and hang it in your room (if you get raided, you have them there on your wall to show them your legalness) BUT no one raids gardeners in Washington haha.

 

Also, If your husband and you are both legal patients, does that mean you can legally grow 24 plants off the back?

And how do you get authorized as a caregiver and as a patient in Michigan? (Its just your doctor out here)

 

Sorry for all the questions you guys thanks for helping me out

 

The law here hinges on privacy.  Basically, don't publicly show it or talk about it with anyone but your registered persons.  More or less.  Not 100%, but more or less.

[Wild Bill]

The law here hinges on privacy.  Basically, don't publicly show it or talk about it with anyone but your registered persons.  More or less.  Not 100%, but more or less.

 

[bobandtorey]

LOL great post

[greenleaf]

 

That's my neighbor.  She wanted me to cut down my tree so she can see down the block more.

[greenleaf]

Experience wise, can you be a successful medical patient and caregiver in Michigan and still abide by all the laws with no trouble?

 

Yes.  Sometimes crap happens.

[bobandtorey]

So I've read a bit on the law and I just read the becoming a caregiver part and it's so intense, does this actually work for you guys as caregivers??

 

I definitely don't want to put myself in an impossible situation with law enforcement even with abiding lawfully.

 

Experience wise, can you be a successful medical patient and caregiver in Michigan and still abide by all the laws with no trouble?

sure you can as long as you don't get caught growing it

[Guanotea1]

So I've read a bit on the law and I just read the becoming a caregiver part and it's so intense, does this actually work for you guys as caregivers??

 

I definitely don't want to put myself in an impossible situation with law enforcement even with abiding lawfully.

 

Experience wise, can you be a successful medical patient and caregiver in Michigan and still abide by all the laws with no trouble?

 

 

Yes the law works okay, well sort of. Please look into perpetual harvest scheduling, and ensure that you properly match your gardens output with your patients needs. Don't bother to start here with anything but a perpetual harvest. I know it takes a little longer to start up, but harvesting more than 2-6 plants at time (depending on size) is asking for trouble.

 

 I feel as though it's best for growers to remain legal in Michigan, but a simple scheduling, paperwork, or misinterpretation of the law can easily get you on the wrong side of the law. 

 

Around here mum is the word as far as law enforcement. Just act as if the market was totally black, follow the law, and if you are a good little federal criminal you'll do ok. If you are the type of guy, like me, who hasn't seen a police officer in many years I say go for it. If you run around attracting all kinds of undue attention with baby momma drama CPS drunk and disorderly drunk driving no muffler-having MF I say don't even bother in Michigan. LE will be very unkind to you, and they have their own interpretation of our laws. 

 

Obviously you are not moving here for better cannabis laws, and you've got something else going on in GR, which means you'll be fine.

[GregS]

The first rule of collective growing is, "You don't talk about collective growing."