Saline City Atty Wants To Regulate Caregivers

[t-pain]

http://thesalinepost.com/article/planners-discuss-downtown-zoning-sign-ordinances-medical-marihuana

 

Smith suggests that the city regulate medical marihuana through regulating the registered caregivers described in the MMMA. He suggested adding new language to the ordinance covering home-based businesses, establishing requirements for primary caregivers. “The intent is not to make the process unduly onerous,” Smith said, “but to assure to the extent that this activity occurs, it occurs in a safe manner.”

[trichcycler]

oh my

[Wild Bill]

Well, how many times have you heard, "It should be taxed and regulated just like alcohol"?

 

Ask and ye shall receive.

[trichcycler]

x10  ^^^^^

[t-pain]

regulating like alcohol, you mean no limits on producing it for myself ? no limits on how much i can posess?

only people who sell it have to get licensed ?

 

or did you mean something else ?

[Restorium2]

regulating like alcohol, you mean no limits on producing it for myself ? no limits on how much i can posess?

only people who sell it have to get licensed ?

 

or did you mean something else ?

I'm sure he means what is happening in reality in America right now, wouldn't you think?

[Wild Bill]

One of the most prevalent arguments for legalization over the years has been "tax and regulate".

I'm sure these were well meaning but shortsighted.

 

Tax and regulate certainly makes it more appealing to the big government types who see it as a cash cow. Good for legalization in the short term.

 

Many probably think it means they will be able to go to the corner liquor store and pick up a few joints. Which will be true eventually I'm sure.

 

But they don't stop to think that cannabis will be treated the same as Jack Daniels from a legal perspective. Only approved manufacturers will be able to produce it and only licensed outlets will be able to sell it.

 

Home grows will be treated like moonshine stills because they are cheating the government out of tax revenues.

 

The local governments are getting a jump on things so when the time comes they'll have ordinances in effect as to who can grow or sell and what parts of town they can do it in. If Saline's measure goes through they'll know right away who to tax or shut down.

Edited January 24, 2014 by Wild Bill

[trichcycler]

I  agree. But if it could keep the sick out of prisons, I might have to reconsider.

Tax and regulate will not make things better for patients and their caregivers.

[Wild Bill]

I  agree. But if it could keep the sick out of prisons, I might have to reconsider.

 

It might keep the sick who are able to afford dispensary prices for government schwag out of prison.

 

Think of what the monthly expense might be for a cancer patient who needs large quantities of oil.

[AmishRnot4ganja]

It looks like the discussion is shifting from legalization to regulation. The people who are against legalization may come on board if there is heavy regulation. This is where the antigovernment Republicans show their hypocrisy. They are against government involvement for certain activities, but in favor of big government involvement when it comes to moral issues. They are just like the democrats when it comes to big government.

[Restorium2]

Let's keep it simple since we know now what legalization looks like. We don't have to guess at all. WHEW, what a relief. The dots have been connected and the picture has been colored in.

Legalization is;

$75,000 for a license to grow. $70 an 1/8th ounce for everyone else.

The definition will not be changed any time soon.

[Wild Bill]

Legalization is;

 

$75,000 for a license to grow. $70 an 1/8th ounce for everyone else.

 

The definition will not be changed any time soon.

                                                                        

[t-pain]

http://thesalinepost.com/article/planning-commission-discusses-dans-tavern-awning-and-medical-marihuana

 

The city has completed a final draft of an ordinance governing medical marijuana caregivers in the city. The planning commission heard discussion and voted to pass the regulations on to City Council. 

 

 

 

City attorney Smith was present to describe the regulations and answer any related legal questions. He approved Beardsley’s comment.

“What this will do then is treat medical marihuana care giving like any other home occupation like giving piano lessons, having an Amway distributorship or something,” Smith said. “You won’t have any signage. It won’t allow for outbuildings. It won’t allow for anything else that indicates that medical marijuana care giving is occurring.”

He said that medial marihuana caregivers could treat up to five patients in addition to themselves. They could grow up to 12 plants per patient. This might require upgraded HVAC, wiring, or plumbing he said.

Edited July 19, 2014 by t-pain

[Wild Bill]

I think he's missing the main point that care giving is not an occupation. How many caregivers do you know who can support themselves by providing for their five patients.

 

You probably would do better with Amway.

 

Are they also planning on regulating those who attend to the health needs of elderly or terminally ill relatives?

[Kingdiamond]

They know this Wild Bill their underlying tactic is make it an expensive buy in to be a caregiver in their district in their minds it will deter people from becoming caregivers in the first place.

[Norby]

MJ is NOT like alcohol or giving piano lessons.  Casually the line always gets blurred between medical and recreational.  What about hippa?  Shouldn't we be shielded from lists and exposure?  WTF!!!

[Indigro]

One of the most prevalent arguments for legalization over the years has been "tax and regulate".

I'm sure these were well meaning but shortsighted.

 

Tax and regulate certainly makes it more appealing to the big government types who see it as a cash cow. Good for legalization in the short term.

 

Many probably think it means they will be able to go to the corner liquor store and pick up a few joints. Which will be true eventually I'm sure.

 

But they don't stop to think that cannabis will be treated the same as Jack Daniels from a legal perspective. Only approved manufacturers will be able to produce it and only licensed outlets will be able to sell it.

 

Home grows will be treated like moonshine stills because they are cheating the government out of tax revenues.

 

The local governments are getting a jump on things so when the time comes they'll have ordinances in effect as to who can grow or sell and what parts of town they can do it in. If Saline's measure goes through they'll know right away who to tax or shut down.

There is some good that comes w regulation & oversight, at least in theory. One thing that tops my list is safety. For the house/structure from water or fire damage. The patients assuming that cg's are trained in the use of chemicals & fertizers. cg's assuming they are trained in methods & products, such as safely extracting bho. Know of a couple of untrained wannabe cg's that blew em aelves up.

 

In theory it's not a bad idea to have code on the books for this endeavor, and that means insoections & permits. Also for something like osha training on all the potential hazards while growing, from chemical exposure, to fire, to uv, and number of other things. And it could also mean quality controls for a human consumable, and assurances to the patient. But that also means inspections & testing.

 

Theory vs practice aside, the underlying problem isn't the legalization of weed. Rather it's how our 'free' market economy works in general. It would be nearly unthinkable that mj would go a diff route. Ideally though, it would mean no one will go to jail over mj though. Sure woyld love to just be able to homegrow a single light at the end of the day, assuming I'm priced out of the game.

[knucklehead bob]

http://thesalinepost.com/article/planning-commission-discusses-dans-tavern-awning-and-medical-marihuana

 

The city has completed a final draft of an ordinance governing medical marijuana caregivers in the city. The planning commission heard discussion and voted to pass the regulations on to City Council. 

 

 

 

City attorney Smith was present to describe the regulations and answer any related legal questions. He approved Beardsley’s comment.

 

“What this will do then is treat medical marihuana care giving like any other home occupation like giving piano lessons, having an Amway distributorship or something,” Smith said. “You won’t have any signage. It won’t allow for outbuildings. It won’t allow for anything else that indicates that medical marijuana care giving is occurring.”

 

He said that medial marihuana caregivers could treat up to five patients in addition to themselves. They could grow up to 12 plants per patient. This might require upgraded HVAC, wiring, or plumbing he said.

Inspections , of course ?

[semicaregiver]

Once 4271 passes along with 5104 and selling overages to provisioning centers becomes legal it will be far easier to define a caregiver as a homebased business.

[t-pain]

4271 and 5104 are going to change , possibly significantly, before they are passed.

[Restorium2]

if

[t-pain]

heres the cite for the bills to be changed.

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/20140716/NEWS/140719882/michigan-senate-committee-oks-medical-marijuana-bills

when randy says they are going to be changed,  you can bet your bottom dollar.

 

 

But Richardville, who chairs the Senate Government Operations Committee, voted for them today in committee because he said he is committed to working on them. He made clear to the standing room-only crowd in the hearing room that changes will be made to the bills before they are sent to the governor.

Afterward, Richardville said he is not sure what specific changes need to be made, but in general he wants to make sure the language is clear about keeping the dispensaries away from playgrounds and neighborhoods.

 

barring any changes that would make patients and dispensaries turn on 5104 / 4271, i think they will be passed. i am 90% certain. how many bills have gotten 100-9 votes in the house and failed ? a better question is will they be passed this year or not. i dunno that answer.

Edited July 21, 2014 by t-pain

[bobandtorey]

Thanks again Mr. T-pain for post this 

 

I agree hold on to your hat things are going to change Big time 

[Restorium2]

i think they will be passed. i am 90% certain

There's a huge feud going on right now over education and road funding. The election cycle is getting close. There's no 'sure things' right now at all. Those bills could easily die.

Edited July 21, 2014 by Restorium2

[jointedone]

I got a bad feeling that ONCE MORE Michigan will eff everything up. Back to the bunkers. Rally at the Capital and burn our cards......................Oh wait that was the 70s. Feels like it still is.