What Is Reasonable Compensation?

[MiMedical]

Bing ding ding!! Great stuff, c'mon PGT's!!

[beourbud]

maybe the dude just wanted to know what the "going rate" was. We've all been there I think. I found it strange that the product I now provide has a value of less than what I paid for a lower quality stash for many years.

One of the Primary objectives for the homegrow is to bring the market price down..it is working

 

Sun Grown Natural Organic.... .!00% compliant  ......@  $20/oz to grow  

 

What should I charge?

 

What ever the patient and caregiver agree to sounds reasonable to me.

Edited March 14, 2014 by beourbud

[GregS]

The problem a lot of us face is that we can adhere to the most conservative view of the law and still be looking at a 4+ felony. So we need to navigate the huge valley between what "\we" think is safe vs what "they" want us to do. And there exists a need for a middle-man to step up,to the plate and testify. Enter dr bob and similar others

 

What we need in this situation is a qualified patient working with a real CG.

Sounds like a personal problem to me.

[GregS]

Zap. I don't think dr bob is giving legal advice. He is providing a qualified opinion as a business owner. He's a Dr but not a lawyer or Indian chief. He is giving an opinion as to what is probably needed for mmmp folks to stay safe. I recognize that he isn't a legal professional but my own opinion is that he, as a person of at least average intelligence has a lot of experience in the mmmp world. So his experience as a doc is invaluable but, further, his opinion / experience as an intellectual and informed person is valuable too.

 

Dr bob recognizes the need to justify costs. We all might agree that we have no need to justify costs. But at least one of us will be called to task for this justification. Is this warranted under the law? Probably not. But the practical matter is that one of us will get arrested and charged with a 4-year felony and will need to articulate why we charged how much we want for our meds. Better to be armed with info. Better to be safe than sorry.

I won't play doctor, and B*B won't pretend to be informed and unfettered by fuckedupness. Okaay???

Edited March 14, 2014 by GregS

[GregS]

Zap. I don't think dr bob is giving legal advice. He is providing a qualified opinion as a business owner. He's a Dr but not a lawyer or Indian chief. He is giving an opinion as to what is probably needed for mmmp folks to stay safe. I recognize that he isn't a legal professional but my own opinion is that he, as a person of at least average intelligence has a lot of experience in the mmmp world. So his experience as a doc is invaluable but, further, his opinion / experience as an intellectual and informed person is valuable too.

 

Dr bob recognizes the need to justify costs. We all might agree that we have no need to justify costs. But at least one of us will be called to task for this justification. Is this warranted under the law? Probably not. But the practical matter is that one of us will get arrested and charged with a 4-year felony and will need to articulate why we charged how much we want for our meds. Better to be armed with info. Better to be safe than sorry.

Average intelligence??? You bumped your head too.

[Highlander]

Average intelligence??? You bumped your head too.

My head has endured many bumps over the years. I've learned to take it in stride.

[cheapshades]

Bump!  (sorry, couldn't resist)

[Highlander]

Bump!  (sorry, couldn't resist)

Lol. I bumped my head again but the outcome is the same.

[GregS]

We short folks don't have to sweat it.

Edited March 14, 2014 by GregS

[cheapshades]

and we tall folks have to compensate for low entryways 

[GregS]

and we tall folks have to compensate for low entryways 

Yeah. We notice. It is a never ending source of wild amusement.

Edited March 14, 2014 by GregS

[trichcycler]

what is  "PGT" ?

Bing ding ding!! Great stuff, c'mon PGT's!!

[Restorium2]

No, a caregiver does not have to justify his or her costs, or argue that they are reasonable in any way. This is not in the law, and is not an issue looked at by judges.

Back in '09, when we had Greg Schmid (attorney) at the CC, he said that you might have to explain to a judge the price you are charging patients. He was plain as day about it. This is not my opinion, but I do hold this attorney's opinion in high regard.

[Restorium2]

That was a long time ago, and much has been worked out in the courts since then. It will not happen. I wonder what he would say about it today. You know they used to deny people the affirmative defense and gag them from talking about medical marijuana, too. The Court of Appeals once decided that it was legal to transfer marijuana patient to patient as long as no compensation was involved. Things change.

He could have been wrong. He was right about every single other thing he advised us. Amazingly so. Like he could see every move up ahead. It has been a great road map for me. He did say things would change with higher court decisions. This could be a pothole no one has run into yet. I would think a dispensary would have a big target on their back in this 'patient gouging' aspect. There are so many easier things to nail a dispensary for it just may be a tool left unused.

[bobandtorey]

That was a long time ago, and much has been worked out in the courts since then. It will not happen. I wonder what he would say about it today. You know they used to deny people the affirmative defense and gag them from talking about medical marijuana, too. The Court of Appeals once decided that it was legal to transfer marijuana patient to patient as long as no compensation was involved. Things change.

 

And i agree its why i come here daily 

[trichcycler]

not sure if any asking price for marijuana is "patient gouging". Each patient can agree or disagree to make a donation of any amount they wish. If a caregiver collects 600 dollars an ounce and there is a patient who wishes to help them advance their garden, while enjoying the superb herb, nobody is victimized. An overpriced cg may find it difficult to "compete" with his neighbors able to grow at a lower cost. There are lines at dispensaries of patients seeking to pay twice what a caregiver would collect.

He could have been wrong. He was right about every single other thing he advised us. Amazingly so. Like he could see every move up ahead. It has been a great road map for me. He did say things would change with higher court decisions. This could be a pothole no one has run into yet. I would think a dispensary would have a big target on their back in this 'patient gouging' aspect. There are so many easier things to nail a dispensary for it just may be a tool left unused.

[Restorium2]

not sure if any asking price for marijuana is "patient gouging". Each patient can agree or disagree to make a donation of any amount they wish. If a caregiver collects 600 dollars an ounce and there is a patient who wishes to help them advance their garden, while enjoying the superb herb, nobody is victimized. An overpriced cg may find it difficult to "compete" with his neighbors able to grow at a lower cost. There are lines at dispensaries of patients seeking to pay twice what a caregiver would collect.

You totally missed the point. It's a lot simpler than that. Profit isn't in the law.

[trichcycler]

I used to profit often in life. Now, I don't see the point, again.

[GregS]

 

Patients may need caregivers to assist with things unrelated to medical marijuana.

 

Caregivers may offer services such as grocery shopping, household chores and maintenance, rides to doctor appointments, or any other assistance or support.

 

A successful caregiver will adapt their service to address patient needs. Caregiver and patient should discuss their expectations at the outset of the relationship, should have a written contract outlining their agreement.

What is your point? This is not in the law. They are nice value added services that can be provided, but are in no way required.

 

Would not they add to the cost of caregiving? How much of your own time and resources would you be willing to commit and at what price? Will you charge mileage? How about an hourly wage for household chores? If you can find a patient who can afford all of that and is willing to pay, well congratulations.,

Edited March 14, 2014 by GregS

[MiMedical]

Things to consider, is all

 

What is your point? This is not in the law. They are nice value added services that can be provided, but are in no way required.

 

Would not they add to the cost of caregiving? How much of your own time and resources would you be willing to commit and at what price? Will you charge mileage? How about an hourly wage for household chores? If you can find a patient who can afford all of that and is willing to pay, well congratulations.,

[phaquetoo]

Greg if you were my pt, I would stop at the store for you on my way over to get you your meds, I would help you with things you cant do around the house, I than would also want to know if your ins paid for house hold services and get you set up with that also, It doesnt mean im gonna make it a full time job, but I would make it clear if you realy needed me to do something for you I would, If I felt the pt was taking advantage of me after a while I would sit down and talk to them and say they need to work something else out! and I would try to help them work something else out!

 

Thats just me!

 

Peace

[GregS]

I appreciate that Jim, and could use the help. Does Medicare pay for household services? Are there other sources? That more than anything is getting under my skin. It used to be we could eat off the floors. Now we can hardly find them.

 

My pain doctors will inject steroids into an especially troublesome area of my back, but can't schedule me any sooner than April 8th. Today I am sitting on my dead azz because it is hard to move. I have not been able to work and earn for several years. My wife's and my health issues have cost us our savings, caused me to max out and default on my credit, and obliterated my retirement. I was doing okay and had a few nice things. It has always been hard for me to ask for help.

 

One of my ribs has been dislocated for a long time. I have been telling my doctors that I have tendinosis in one of the costotransverse and possibly the costovertebral joint at the same location, and I've been telling them that for over a year now. They have insisted on treating me in locations other than that and want to continue facet joint injections, which have worked real well in my lumbar spine, but have not gotten results higher at about T7 or 8 on the right side of my spine. I had to get assertive in my own special  way yesterday and insist that I be treated for that, despite that the doctor I spoke with wanted to perform these other procedures that have already been done and failed to offer relief. I really want to fish the trout opener, but that can't happen until I get this right.

 

Too bad there has never been doctor or other qualified med professional here to address these things.

Edited March 15, 2014 by GregS

[Wild Bill]

. . .want to continue facet joint injections . . .

 

Don't do it man!!

Injecting yourself with joints is marihuana addiction at its most deadly!

 

 

 

[GregS]

If it weren't for friends like you WB, where would I be? Thanks man.

[phaquetoo]

I used to get them parafacet joint shots, My specialist had me get them in the hospital one time and than he did them in his office, so no messing with the operating room and the mobile xray machine,,,,shoot I dont even know how he hit me right every time, I didnt look but he must have put permanent dots in the spots he injected me,

 

When I first was injured, I lived in the suburbs of detroit, so I have been to all the best pain clinic, I was goint to henry ford down town and they were giving me trigger point injecrtions. and all kinds of poop that didnt last long, Ive had chryo of triger point, they inject refrigearator fluid in me lmao, but realy I dont remember what it was oh yea nitrogen I belive, I got tired of being their pin cushion,

 

Thats when my specialist started the parafacet injections, They worked realy well for me for a long time,  my only issue was when they wore off, I would get soarer and soarer each time, so I asked to not get shots for now, I realy needed to feel the pain if I was doing to much, I couldnt feel it when the shots were working well and it only made my disc's worse and I wound up with a ton of scar tissue that isnt the best for ya!

 

Hope you get relief soon!

 

Peace