3 Leaf Per Node And 4Leaf Per Node Mutations

[Norby]

Anyone see these?  I have some seeds that I'm surprised I got 100% to crack.  They must be 8 years old.  They were my juicy fruit line.  Problem is that I don't know if they were crossed with the seeds I found on the back of my property while hunting from a grow that they took and left the bottoms in which I found viable seeds.  I tried them and crossed it into my jf line and may have mixed the seeds with the pure jf line.  Either way those seeds were 6-8 years old when I bred them so this is the second gen over 14-16 years ago.  Either way they throw a lot of 3-4 leaf/node(3node and 4node) plants.  They also seem to have a crinkly leaf mutation they need to overcome when sprouting.  The first true leaves seem to curl and crinkle and some grow out of it quickly and some I cull because it looks like a mass of deformed leaves which take a long time to throw a shoot out of. 

 I used a bulb called colchicene(sp?) to make polypliod seeds about 20 years ago.  My friend read about it and we figured we'd try it.  I don't remember if it was this line or if they were crossed in way back when(can't believe I remember doing it but the Juicy Fruit was a very memorable strain).  Does anyone know if trying to make polyploid seeds would cause either of these types of mutations?  I don't even remember what we were trying to even accomplish by doing such a thing.  I think he thought it would make it more potent or higher yield.

Edited March 17, 2014 by Norby

[Norby]

Sorry, wrong terminology, I'm terrible with vocabulary.  It's actually 4 nodes per whirl, I think.  Usually there are 2 nodes per whirl in veg then they break to 1 node in flower.  this plant in particular is a female that started with 2 nodes, progressed to 3 nodes and the top/most recent are coming out at 4 nodes per whirl.

[trichcycler]

yes, colchicine can cause these types of expressions, mutations, typically unsuccessful plants. but when you have one that does work, you'll have something special forever maybe.

[mrd]

Yes I have a plant I call mutant Lemoncake. It started with three leaves. Now most of the seeds that start with 3 leaves have died but this one worked out and it produced a really great juicy plant that is short with the left side of the leaf having a curl to it.  Good luck with yours.

[t-pain]

i dont think there is much literature with hermies or mutants.

 

some people swear by them, start writing down info for future growers. maybe we can learn and find out new info....

[trichcycler]

Its been recently suggested here that those leaf anomalies are caused by root bound plants. would be a good experiment. considering they also happen in seedlings.

[Norby]

It looks like my 4 per node plant turned out to be female.  Ironically I took a cutting from my male quantum kush and it started with 2/node and now has 3/node.  Should be interesting to see the resultant cross.  Neither were even near root bound.

[Kingdiamond]

Clone only Chemo has 3 leafs no matter how many times I took cuts and ran her again she always put out 3 leaf formations.

[Norby]

Interesting, We'll see how these turn out.  The female is about 13-14" tall, untopped at just under 7 weeks old, 1 week into flower. Slowest grower I can remember as everything else is 2 - 4 x the height at appr. the same age.  The whirls are starting to space out on her.  Interesting little plant with a pretty much unknown background.  Can't wait till she's finished.