Problem With Certified Return Receipt

[SimplyLost8]

Did you track it at USPS.com? You should print off the proof of delivery there. Same as having a properly stamped return receipt. There really is no issue if you know that.

Yes I tracked it it gave city zip code and a date have to wait my grace period before I attempt the disp for meds see what happens thanks

[SimplyLost8]

Received my card today it took 19 business days breathing a sigh of relief today

[beourbud]

Received my card today it took 19 business days breathing a sigh of relief today

 

[trichcycler]

that's pretty quick, happy you're legal!

[Dr. Bob]

We don't recommend certified mail.  We recommend a check, if not from the patient then from a friend or family member of the patient.  Certified mail can contain anything and be signed for by anyone.  A cashed check clearly indicates it was for a registration and they endorsed it.

 

Dr. Bob

[Restorium2]

We don't recommend certified mail.  We recommend a check, if not from the patient then from a friend or family member of the patient.  Certified mail can contain anything and be signed for by anyone.  A cashed check clearly indicates it was for a registration and they endorsed it.

 

Dr. Bob

Now that is totally ridiculously Dr. Bob. You obviously advise people to use both certified mail and a check. Sometimes I wonder where your mind is at.

[Dr. Bob]

Now that is totally ridiculously Dr. Bob. You obviously advise people to use both certified mail and a check. Sometimes I wonder where your mind is at.

Our policy is use a check, some of the staff may suggest certified or other postal confirmation as an extra source of confirmation, but our practice  recommendation is check as a baseline.  Perhaps you misunderstood the post, or it wasn't clear.

 

To clarify, certified mail by itself is NOT our recommendation, a check is.

 

Dr. Bob

[Restorium2]

Our policy is use a check, some of the staff may suggest certified or other postal confirmation as an extra source of confirmation, but our practice  recommendation is check as a baseline.  Perhaps you misunderstood the post, or it wasn't clear.

 

To clarify, certified mail by itself is NOT our recommendation, a check is.

 

Dr. Bob

Better to clearly state that you need both, certified mail and use a check if possible. Then things are clear, everyone is doing the best they can, and we are all on the same page. It's been a long haul on that one since '09. The leaders need to keep driving this home so it's common knowledge. Thanks for your help in this matter. Edited April 22, 2014 by Restorium2

[trichcycler]

both serve mostly as a personal reference I think, as lara already stated neither matters to them. certified registered mail is faster, and lets us know the day it is received. The same stamp has been used since the beginning of my registration I believe. The cancelled check tells me they opened the envelope and processed payment only. I've personally seen a cashed check from a patient and a denial for incomplete form.  A phone call is free, and can be made daily, after day 21 lara is most helpful with callers in my experience.

[Restorium2]

both serve mostly as a personal reference I think, as lara already stated neither matters to them. certified registered mail is faster, and lets us know the day it is received. The same stamp has been used since the beginning of my registration I believe. The cancelled check tells me they opened the envelope and processed payment only. I've personally seen a cashed check from a patient and a denial for incomplete form.  A phone call is free, and can be made daily, after day 21 lara is most helpful with callers in my experience.

I can assure you that certified mail means something to the courts. I NEVER take LARA's legal advice. They stink at that. So I don't care what matters to them. They actually put a box in the lobby for us to drop off our forms in back in '09. I saw that and went to the closest post office and mailed my first forms to them certified mail. Homey knows how the system works. If you don't have proof you mailed something then the judge will just shake his head and say, "You should have sent it certified".

[Dr. Bob]

I can assure you that certified mail means something to the courts. I NEVER take LARA's legal advice. They stink at that. So I don't care what matters to them. They actually put a box in the lobby for us to drop off our forms in back in '09. I saw that and went to the closest post office and mailed my first forms to them certified mail. Homey knows how the system works. If you don't have proof you mailed something then the judge will just shake his head and say, "You should have sent it certified".

That may be, but the check not only confirms receipt it indicates what it is for.  Certified may be 'good enough', but a check is a little tighter.

[phaquetoo]

I guess I should have reworded this slightly. I understand that in leo s eyes and with the court cases going on that dispensaries are considered pt/pt sales which do not comply with the act. Now I did receive a receipt that my app was accepted however do not know the date. Check was cashed and I understand that I have to wait the 20-21 biz days before my documents could be proof that I am a medical marihuana patient according to the state. Let's say after those days I did not receive a denial nor a card I start my 12 plant grow and something happens that I need my documentation return receipt copy of app with doc cert and Leo considers my documentation invalid because the day Lara receives my paperwork their stamp was misplaced on my certified mail receipt so there is no date on it then what? Is copies of the application and proof that the check was cashed enough to hold up in court if needed? How long does it usually take for a card to come in the mail?

my pt card and my pts card and my c.g card all came within 21 days the last 2 yrs, if it hasnt been 21 days nothing to worry about yet.. If you dont get it give it 30 days and call lara, alot of people are getting them in the alotted time, I know I have and im nobody, so you should also, if they are renewels they usualy go a lil faster as long as you used the correct forms, I would'nt give a pt anything till they had there plastic card, and that is only to protect me, well in my case it will protect me and my pts as she is my g.f and we live together!

 

dont swet it untill after the 3 weeks, and that is business days dont count weekends!

 

Peace

[Restorium2]

That may be, but the check not only confirms receipt it indicates what it is for.  Certified may be 'good enough', but a check is a little tighter.

If you have copies of your paperwork and a certified mail receipt to LARA what else could you have sent them other than your forms? You went through all the trouble to fill out the forms so it's obvious that's what you sent in. Checks don't tell courts who your doctor was for example, forms do. The check means nothing really. They will cash it if you sent your grocery list with it.

[mibrains]

I can assure you that certified mail means something to the courts. I NEVER take LARA's legal advice. They stink at that. So I don't care what matters to them. They actually put a box in the lobby for us to drop off our forms in back in '09. I saw that and went to the closest post office and mailed my first forms to them certified mail. Homey knows how the system works. If you don't have proof you mailed something then the judge will just shake his head and say, "You should have sent it certified".

 

 

so how exactly does that work?

 

the card only protects you from arrest..

 

your in front of a judge and the judge sends you to the judge?

 

if you are in court it matters not if you sent in your forms certified.

 

the judge is going to need to see your doctors recommendation and you will be subjected to the three prongs.

 

the only person or persons that care if you sent your paperwork in certified is law enforcement.  they are the only ones who can value a card.  the card only protects you from arrest... if your in court.. you missed that part already.

 

so send your card in certified if you choose.  but it is not in any way required... or for that matter recommended..

[mibrains]

If you have copies of your paperwork and a certified mail receipt to LARA what else could you have sent them other than your forms? You went through all the trouble to fill out the forms so it's obvious that's what you sent in. Checks don't tell courts who your doctor was for example, forms do. The check means nothing really. They will cash it if you sent your grocery list with it.

 

 

thats not true.. it is up to you to send in the correct paperwork.. LARA only verifies you did it correctly.

 

restorium why?

 

why are you at this again with this issue?

[Restorium2]

thats not true.. it is up to you to send in the correct paperwork.. LARA only verifies you did it correctly.

 

restorium why?

 

why are you at this again with this issue?

Because the truth never changes. You may try to silence it for as long as you would like to. But you can't keep a good man down.

[mibrains]

Restorium2, on 22 Apr 2014 - 11:38, said:

If you have copies of your paperwork and a certified mail receipt to LARA what else could you have sent them other than your forms? You went through all the trouble to fill out the forms so it's obvious that's what you sent in. Checks don't tell courts who your doctor was for example, forms do. The check means nothing really. They will cash it if you sent your grocery list with it.

 

you could have sent them your grocery list certified.

 

certified does not protect anything.

[mibrains]

Because the truth never changes. You may try to silence it for as long as you would like to. But you can't keep a good man down.

 

thats true.

 

certifiable or not.

[Restorium2]

Restorium2, on 22 Apr 2014 - 11:38, said:

 

you could have sent them your grocery list certified.

 

certified does not protect anything.

If you have forms properly filled out because you made copies, and the dates line up with your certified mail receipt to LARA, no one is going to try to say you didn't send those forms in that certified mail you have a receipt for.

[Restorium2]

And further; The days they have to decide, spelled out in the law, start with the day they received your forms. The certified mail is how the courts decide when LARA received the forms. That's what starts the clock ticking, not the check being cashed.

[mibrains]

LARA does not DECIDE anything

 

they have been given a time limit to do their job which is to verify your information....

 

you still don't get it.

 

if you are in front of a judge... you already missed the point of a card helping.. the only thing that will help you now is not a return receipt.. it is the 3 prongs..

 

please go ask the supreme court.. they already decided on this issue.

[Restorium2]

LARA does not DECIDE anything

 

they have been given a time limit to do their job which is to verify your information....

 

you still don't get it.

 

if you are in front of a judge... you already missed the point of a card helping.. the only thing that will help you now is not a return receipt.. it is the 3 prongs..

 

please go ask the supreme court.. they already decided on this issue.

The Supreme Court understands that the check being cashed means nothing on the time line. I'm cutting right through all your BS and going right to the heart of this issue. Certified mail is what starts the clock ticking, it has nothing to do with your payment, unless you are writng checks your arse can't cash.

[mibrains]

all your BS you mean..

 

there is no clock.

 

the person it matters to is the cop who is questioning you.

 

the check wont help

the certified wont help

 

nothing but the 3 prongs will help if your in front of the judge.

 

you already failed to prove you were compliant under section 4.

 

now if its been 20 business days your paperwork will act as your card.. maybe thats where you get confused..

 

but even that would only apply to law enforcement persons conduction an interview...

 

because once again

 

if your if front of a judge the only thing that matters is your doctors certification... and the 3 prongs are all about that.

 

CERTIFIED MAIL MEANS NOTHING to anyone in court.... except that you mailed something and something was received..

 

big frikin woopie...

 

who cares about that when your being prosecuted for distribution?

 

certainly not the judge in your case...

 

he only cares about your doctors paperwork.

Edited April 22, 2014 by mibrains

[Restorium2]

Brains Quote; CERTIFIED MAIL MEANS NOTHING to anyone in court

You have a lot to learn my friend. Your life experiences have not shown you the way.

[Highlander]

Every subpoena, summons, and complaint I have received has come certified mail.  I have been served via certified mail too.  I have never heard of a court thinking that maybe that envelope contained something other than what the send said it contained.