Twist On A Caregiver

[hisrelief]

Hi, I have a son who uses MJ to treat his Bipolar. As a conservative right wing Christian who has never had a "hit" in his life (nor even a drink of alcohol!) you can imagine the journey I have been on to realize after 9 years that MJ is the only thing that has worked to relieve his symptoms and to help him function normally. I am now a true believer and hope the medical community will study and embrace what so many now know to be true about this special plant.

 

My question is about handling the MJ for him. As a bipolar patient he is very impulsive and left to his self will over medicate so I take him to the dispensary and buy in bulk, then I roll his joints and I keep them hidden and give halfs to him during the day to keep him stabilized. This means that at any time I might have a joint or 2 in my possession while he is not around. I know that this is illegal but my fear of being arrested is less than the fear of my son's unregulated outbursts caused by his illness.

 

I know I can become a caregiver for him but I am not a grower, nor do I want to be. And if I become his caregiver then he can't go to another caregiver to buy. So how can I get some sort of designation to legally handle the product for him?

 

Any ideas or information is appreciated.

[Restorium2]

You said you are buying illegally from a dispensary. If you were his caregiver on paper it wouldn't effect the legality of your illegal dispensary buys at all. 

[+Malamute]

I would simply become his CG and quit putting yourself at risk. :-)

 

You are then allowed to possess, acquire etc etc for him.

[hisrelief]

No I am no illegally buying at the dispensary. I take him to the dispensary and he makes the purchase....then I hold it for him.

[+Malamute]

Regardless,... become his CG. 

 

 Be Safe.

[Restorium2]

No I am no illegally buying at the dispensary. I take him to the dispensary and he makes the purchase....then I hold it for him.

Registering as his caregiver would only make that whole scenario legal for everyone except the dispensary seller, who is already selling illegally. I can't see any down side for you or your patient.

[+Malamute]

Exactly.

 

 Send in those CG/change forms today!

[hisrelief]

What I see as the potential downside is that if I am his CG then the State of MIch says he can't buy from another CG....and I don't grow.

[Restorium2]

What I see as the potential downside is that if I am his CG then the State of MIch says he can't buy from another CG....and I don't grow.

But you are already buying illegally from the dispensary. For your info; A patient can legally buy anywhere they want to. It's the seller that's not protected if they are not registered as the caregiver.

[+Malamute]

I see zero downside to you both at this point. Get legal.

[+Malamute]

And you can always change CG's if needed whenever you want.

[hisrelief]

I am not making myself clear I guess....I take him to the dispensary but he makes the purchase...not me....but after the purchase then I handle it for him.

[+Malamute]

Exactly.  You can buy it as his CG. He can buy it as a patient.  It will be better..... and safe for you. 

 

Do not become a statistic or a poster here looking for help post-arrest. :-)

 

 It just isn't worth it when ten bucks could solve the issue.

[+Malamute]

I think confusion comes from the issue that dispensaries are 99% of the time currently illegal in Michigan. So just the fact you are buying from a dispensary creates an illegal transaction on the dispensary's part.

 

I will say it one last time.,  Please simply become his registered Caregiver if this is how you plan to deal with his medical use.  If at some time in the future he needs to get a different CG,... it merely takes ten bucks to change.  Both of you will be able to purchase from the dispensary if you become his caregiver.

 

Be safe. Even if the chances of problems is slim,... it is not worth the risk.  Ten bucks can save you THOUSANDS and years of hellish court proceedings.

[hisrelief]

Thanks for the responses....so where did I leave my checkbook and that CG form????

 

Oh...one last question that someone might know. I carry a gun at all times. Are caregivers prohibited from carrying a gun?

[jointedone]

 You are his Mother,you do what you know is right for him. DON'T TELL ANYBODY. He is a pt,he can obtain his meds from anywhere. But not another CG. There is a lot of info on this site about what strains work well for certain illnesses. I find one dispensary I go to occasionally to be knowledgable and helpful. If he was an alcoholic,would you stock up the fridge with beer and let him drink it all? Of course not. I admire you for be open-minded,and not allowing your son to get into trouble.Too bad more parents aren't like you. If your son was physically unable to roll for himself you would have to do it and people do that all the time. Good luck and keep being a good Momma GRIZZLEY!  Not sure about the CW as a CG. If he remains a pt,you don't have to be his CG. My card says no caregiver.

Edited September 30, 2014 by jointedone

[Restorium2]

Thanks for the responses....so where did I leave my checkbook and that CG form????

 

Oh...one last question that someone might know. I carry a gun at all times. Are caregivers prohibited from carrying a gun?

Absolutely not. You can carry. The only problem is using while carrying. And that's a stretch too. You do not lose any rights when you become a caregiver. You only gain rights.

Edited September 30, 2014 by Restorium2

[t-pain]

Hi, I have a son who uses MJ to treat his Bipolar.

bipolar isnt a qualifying condition here in michigan.

[Habenero]

Yo Rest, if ur caught in possession and you have a gun on you couldn't the feds bust you? I don't know and I'm not saying it's likely but couldn't you get a federal charge for the gun if you have a gun?

[Wild Bill]

As a conservative right wing Christian who has never had a "hit" in his life (nor even a drink of alcohol!) you can imagine the journey I have been on to realize after 9 years that MJ is the only thing that has worked to relieve his symptoms and to help him function normally. I am now a true believer and hope the medical community will study and embrace what so many now know to be true about this special plant.

 

Man created pharmaceuticals, God created cannabis. Who do you trust?

 

I concur with becoming a caregiver. You are already acting as a caregiver whether you realize it or not.

Here is the definition;

 

"Primary caregiver" means a person who is at least 21 years old and who has agreed to assist with a patient’s medical use of marijuana and who has never been convicted of a felony involving illegal drugs, a violent felony, or any felony within the past ten years.

 

It doesn't mean you have to grow, only to assist the patient in his use of medicinal cannabis. Which you are doing by providing transportation and helping to maintain reasonable dosage levels.

 

He might want to check into alternative delivery methods such as edibles. They take longer to feel the effects but are longer lasting. Once dosage is established it is easier to maintain a therapeutic level, not as much ups and downs as with smoking. A brownie every four hours or so rather than smoking a joint every two hours. (also easier on the lungs)

 

Think of smoking as immediate relief and edibles more like time release medicine. There are a number of recipes on this site or they can be found elsewhere on the web.

 

Just remember to start out small with edibles, it's easy to eat too much. Fortunately the worst that will happen is extreme sleepiness, maybe a little nausea and paranoia. Nothing life threatening or long term.

 

It's been used as medicine for thousands of years with no fatalities in all that time. It's been against the law for less than 80 years.

[Wild Bill]

bipolar isnt a qualifying condition here in michigan.

 

It doesn't need to be. Here is a quote from the Affirmative Defense section in the Patients link at the top of the page.

 

You do not need to have one of the Specific Medical Conditions listed in Statute to be considered a qualified medical marijuana patient. The Statute also protects patients who use marijuana to treat the symptoms of any chronic or debilitating medical condition, or to alleviate symptoms or side effects caused by any therapy or other treatment option prescribed by your primary physician for that condition. For example, if you suffer from depression and your physician prescribes a medication to treat the depression, and that medication causes muscle aches and spasms, or it makes you nauseated, then you would qualify as a patient with a listed condition (muscle spasms, nausea), to choose medical marijuana as a treatment option.

[trichcycler]

patient can buy from unlimited caregivers after or before they have registered one as their own. the sellers are perhaps in violation, not the permitted buyer. you do not mention our sons age, but assuming he is 18 or older how will you know if he is "over medicated" anyway, with no prior use history and a blind eye to the community at large?  just curious is all. Cannabis is self titrating. My medical use changes from day to day, depending on desired effects, diet, strains used, and activities required. You may be robbing your son daily of a full curing experience by metering his natural choice of medicine maybe?

 

As a Christian you should know that the recipe for holy anointing oil is in your king james version, and older Hebrew ones too. Don't be surprised when you see the active ingredients described.....you've just gone full circle, welcome to the healing of ancient times. What sucks is we've wasted hundreds of years with the nonsensical persecution of users and healers alike. Jesus being the most notable victim of the system for freely handing out the cannabis cures for mankind maybe.

[Habenero]

Maybe some1 can refresh my memory but I remember some supreme court judge sayin something like how can one side of the transaction be illegal but not the other. Sounds like writing on the wall to me. One way or the other. As a patient I ain't buying from nobody I ain't connected to. If the cg is commiting a crime sellin to the pt then ain't the pt helping the cg to commit the crime? Seems like that isn't legal and seems like that's next for some law dog to jump on.

 

This stuff seriously needs to be fixed by the law makers before the law dogs drag some1 else through the system.

[trichcycler]

This may be a swell reason to suggest to new patients ways of locating a suitable caregiver quickly and safely? Sending them off with the thought they can stroll into a dispensary and be all safe is possibly misleading, and at least not the best scenario advice.

Patients have been raided at these points of sales too. Their personal records are not protected at an illegal dispensary.

[mibrains]

What I see as the potential downside is that if I am his CG then the State of MIch says he can't buy from another CG....and I don't grow.

 

the Michigan supreme court has already said he is protected to acquire cannabis from any source...

 

so he can acquire cannabis from any source..

 

i would say go ahead and be his caregiver it will only serve to protect you... he is already using a dispensary (or any other source) to acquire his medications... and according to the supreme court... it is on the seller.. not on you or your son (as the end user/buyer).

Edited September 30, 2014 by mibrains