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Hello everyone,

 

I am new to this site.  I have a question regarding dispensaries.  I know that they are technically 'illegal' and that some are continuing to operate.  I also know that HB 4271 is going to make the question of legality an issue for the local municipalities.  My understanding is that either in the current system or after HB 4271 (assuming passage in its current form), the patient/caregiver system allows for enough plants for up to 5 patients.  Since that is the case, how are dispensaries able to grow/cultivate marijuana for much more than 5 patients.  Or perhaps they don't cultivate their own?  If not, where do they get it from?

 

Any help would be much appreciated.

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Thanks guys.  Quick follow up...Would the new law (HB 4271) allow local municipalities to pass laws/regulations that allow for a legal method to cultivate their own marijuana for the dispensaries in their jurisdiction?  If not, what's the point?  A system where the dispensary is legal but the growing of product is illegal is not viable.

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4271 is changing so quickly that its hard to nail down exactly whats going to happen.

but if it passes, these are the current three answers to your question:

 

1. dispensaries grow their own

2. caregivers at dispensaries grow their own and supply the disp

3. dispensaries buy from caregivers who have 'overages' (50oz per month or something per cg)

 

we dont know what version of the bill will be introduced.

the police are against all of it.

the governor wants local options removed (so one statewide dispensary system, not local control)

the patients just want to preserve the right to grow for themselves. dispensaries in other states like nevada have banned patient grows within 25miles of a disp.

the michigan municipal league wants to have local control of allowing or banning dispensaries.

 

 

basically theres 20 groups all trying to finger this law at the same time in the senate.

while the house version just passed 100-9 without much trouble.

no one knows if these bills will ever make it out of the senate, or if they are passed by the senate, if they are so crazy that the house will have to kill them.

 

richardville sat on these bills, thus delaying them a good 2 months. to just after the elections in the lame duck session. much like in 2012 when the last 4 mmj bills were rushed thru at 4am with no one looking.

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If not, what's the point?  A system where the dispensary is legal but the growing of product is illegal is not viable.

the point was to make the senators look compassionate while also making a law that didnt help anyone.

much like these cbd only laws in other states where you cannot buy or manufacture cbd oil. but posessing it is legal, or something.

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4271 is changing so quickly that its hard to nail down exactly whats going to happen.

but if it passes, these are the current three answers to your question:

 

1. dispensaries grow their own

2. caregivers at dispensaries grow their own and supply the disp

3. dispensaries buy from caregivers who have 'overages' (50oz per month or something per cg)

 

we dont know what version of the bill will be introduced.

the police are against all of it.

the governor wants local options removed (so one statewide dispensary system, not local control)

the patients just want to preserve the right to grow for themselves. dispensaries in other states like nevada have banned patient grows within 25miles of a disp.

the michigan municipal league wants to have local control of allowing or banning dispensaries.

 

 

basically theres 20 groups all trying to finger this law at the same time in the senate.

while the house version just passed 100-9 without much trouble.

no one knows if these bills will ever make it out of the senate, or if they are passed by the senate, if they are so crazy that the house will have to kill them.

 

richardville sat on these bills, thus delaying them a good 2 months. to just after the elections in the lame duck session. much like in 2012 when the last 4 mmj bills were rushed thru at 4am with no one looking.

May i also add it was 4am and most of them where sleeping thats what was said on the MMMA radio show PGT  by the guy that introduced the Bill

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I guess I'd be alright if I could sell the other 50oz per month to them. My patients wouldn't pay a dime for their supply, ever!

Why would they have to ?

 

That means if I could run my entire 60 plants with no fear of legal repercussions moving my extra weight a caregiver could provide for free and still make a meager living .

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I think it's 50 oz every 60 days.  I'd not be too quick to offer free meds to all your patients if prices go down to $100/oz. If your patients take 2 oz a month you have to produce 10 for them.  The other 50oz at $100/oz would get $2500/month(50/60 days).  At $500/month for electric you'd be pulling $500 a week for a LOT of work and supplies would come out of that.  Even if you switch to hydro to cover the yield it's still a lot of work.  A patch of mites and forced shutdown would put you out of business.

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Why would they want to grow their own and incur risk and supply issues when they can lo-ball prices on stuff caregivers bring in?  Turn it down when you don;t need it and only take the best and have different strains that people want instead of having to guess and reacquire clones when a strain runs down or is unpopular.   For $30-50 more an ounce?  If so I don;t know if they'll be in business long if others do what I outlined.  Cost on generators, lights, etc. for a dispensary growing their own and incurring risk and more debt isn't a great business model. This is spread out over caregivers in the model I  lined out and the cost for a dispensary is a storefront (without a generator) and a display case and good security is all that's needed for a dispensary.  Well computers, etc. but the grow equipment and growing is the riskiest and most time consuming and expensive part.  And then there's medibles...

 

I don't doubt some do but it's at their own faulty reasoning.

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the dispensaries want a monopoly on the market.

plus theres canadian "licensed producers" who want a monopoly on the market here in michigan.

 

so i wouldnt plan to sell anything to a dispensary. i know thats how it 'worked' in california. but california's law is different. its different because there is no law. everyone who wants california model ... SHOULD MOVE TO CALIFORNIA.

 

michigan is not going to get the california model (selling 'overages' to dispensaries) in my opinion.

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Then everyone would go back to the black market.  It's still legal for a patient to have MJ from anywhere.  It seems to me that caregiver/patients selling overages to a dispensary is the only thing that'll work.  Caregivers supplied patients before there was a law.  It just wasn't called caregivers and patients.

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i think these guys can grow it for a fraction of what they would be paying for cg's extras..they may start out that way but a proffesional grow operation could supply as much and as many med strains as any disp could sell .if they can save 50 bucks a oz on supply they will...plus they have to know that the meds they're selling haven't been treated with pesticides,don't have bugs or mold and be able to have a secure supply...all things better done in house...if they can grow it, test it,sell it..they can make money all along the line..i hope i'm wrong,,....maybe it will be a god sent for patients and they'll get meds for free from their cg's..,Cg's will be able to sell their overages for $200 a oz and sell 50 ozs a month,,and the disp owners will have a 200% profit after taxes... and then big buds will grow from everyones butts and the world will be happy..lol.. but i just don't see it happening when there's big money to be made.somebodys going to have to supply the dispeneries with their profits,after all they're not in this for the fun of it...and i don't want in to be me.. i'm never suprised at what some people will do or who they're willing to park under a bus to get money....time will tell....bp   ps,,i'd loved to open a disp myself,,any investors out there?..we should all have our money ready...bp

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i think these guys can grow it for a fraction of what they would be paying for cg's extras..they may start out that way but a proffesional grow operation could supply as much and as many med strains as any disp could sell .if they can save 50 bucks a oz on supply they will...plus they have to know that the meds they're selling haven't been treated with pesticides,don't have bugs or mold and be able to have a secure supply...all things better done in house...if they can grow it, test it,sell it..they can make money all along the line..i hope i'm wrong,,....maybe it will be a god sent for patients and they'll get meds for free from their cg's..,Cg's will be able to sell their overages for $200 a oz and sell 50 ozs a month,,and the disp owners will have a 200% profit after taxes... and then big buds will grow from everyones butts and the world will be happy..lol.. but i just don't see it happening when there's big money to be made.somebodys going to have to supply the dispeneries with their profits,after all they're not in this for the fun of it...and i don't want in to be me.. i'm never suprised at what some people will do or who they're willing to park under a bus to get money....time will tell....bp   ps,,i'd loved to open a disp myself,,any investors out there?..we should all have our money ready...bp

making $50 more and ounce will end up costing them $50 more an ounce. The people who grow good ganja grow it because their good.  Have you ever tried to hire people to do specific work with live animals/plants?  You'll end up paying more an hour for good employees than if they did it on their own and sold it to you.  Taxes on employment aren't cheap.  Everyone looses in that scenerio except the government, just like every other industry.  Testing is already being done for mold.  Prices are where they are because it's still illegal.  How much does a dispensary have to make if they don't have to have a lawyer on retainer because the shop is legal?  I can't wait to see them fail and the caregiver supplied model win if there is a choice.  Or see everyone go back to the black market if there isn't.

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I think it is an error for a dispensary to open without legal counsel, even with HB 4271 in place. It is implemented as an immunity from arrest, similar to section 4.

 

zapatosunidos,

 

Can you explain what you mean by "immunity from arrest, similar to section 4"?  I don't know what you are referring to here.  Thanks.

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I've had offers at each dispensary I've brought samples for testing to.  I think they get a lot of what they sell from caregivers, although offers from dispenses aren't a good test.  but if you watch the menu's you'll see what looks like lag time between harvests.

 

Maybe the people saying dispensaries are going to do it themselves or that they won't buy from caregivers don't have a quality product, if they are going by what they have heard from said dispensaries and showing samples.  Personally, I'm going to start as soon as it's legal and I'm doing the research now(kind of a side as I travel to drop off samples for iron labs).  If I can't get a job in society because of drug testing I'm not going to shirk my responsibilities.  I need to save for retirement and just in cases.  I am able bodied and refuse to be a burden on society no matter how much I'm shut out. My anxiety keeps me from being able to try and skirt or cheat on drug tests. I refuse to be pushed into a category by the gov't which entitles me to assistance.  The only reason I'm not working and of better mental health is because of the gov'ts rules.  I scored in the 99% on math and science in high school and I've had to breed pets and grow ganja with it my whole life because of gov't bigotry.  Give me a legal way to make a living dammit!  Ok, rant over, sorry for the sidetrack.

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making $50 more and ounce will end up costing them $50 more an ounce. The people who grow good ganja grow it because their good.  Have you ever tried to hire people to do specific work with live animals/plants?  You'll end up paying more an hour for good employees than if they did it on their own and sold it to you.  Taxes on employment aren't cheap.  Everyone looses in that scenerio except the government, just like every other industry.  Testing is already being done for mold.  Prices are where they are because it's still illegal.  How much does a dispensary have to make if they don't have to have a lawyer on retainer because the shop is legal?  I can't wait to see them fail and the caregiver supplied model win if there is a choice.  Or see everyone go back to the black market if there isn't.

norby you could be right,,i hope you are..i'm just a guy with concerns about my right to grow and i don't want to sell my overages,i want to smoke em.lol....even if disps buy overages from cgs do you think the patients will get the good meds from their cg for free and the cgs will sell the lesser meds to the disp?do you think that patients may have a hard time getting those free meds.from their CG's but instead get the run around? i just don't see an up-side for the patients,but can see alot of profits being made from them..bp

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