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Simpson Oil And Leukemia


Ezrah

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I have a close friend, her kids have grown up with mine, her son is 18 and has leukemia.  I was offering to help him, and she brought up the topic of Simpson oil.  Now I personally have benefited from MMJ wiht pain relief, I have some patients in serious pain, so I am a believer in MMJ bit I am concerned with a few things, some false hope and being in over my head.

 

I see lot of videos on Simpson oil production and I have a few questions there if any experiences peeps would be open to talk about this, message me with number.

 

I also wondering about dosage and doc support.

 

I was talking with her at a fundraiser last night and she and I both agreed he would stay the plan of a bone marrow transplant and the chemo, MMJ would be some symptom relief during that process.  So gathering information and resources for her for afterward and then maybe look at the Simpson oil rout.

 

Would welcome thoughts and help, 

 

Warm regards, 

 

Ezrah

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Fully expressed quality genetics + sterile, chemical free extraction of 1 ounce dried flower tops = 3-6 grams of oil. A typical first timer dose could be 1/4 of a gram, self titration thereafter. The safest extraction could be a dry sifting through proper micron screens to collect the trichomes, to be eaten in the same way. Consuming with a bit of fat like coconut oil goes along way towards palliative relief. Olive oil extractions are the easiest to perform, ages old, and very effective.

 Other methods could include butane, 99% alcohol, grain alcohol extractions. The total removal of the solvent from the medicine will be paramount when using chems/gases. 

 

you have an amazing opportunity to help this suffering person, best of wishes.

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I would start him a little lower than 1/4 gram. Better safe than sorry. Don't want to scare him off with a bad experience at the beginning. Some folks are very touchy with oil. One thing I find lacking in a lot of instructions for use of cannabis oil is that the patient should always feel comfortable with the dosage. If they have discomfort at all you are probably doing more harm than good. This is not like chemo where the patient feels crappy. The patient should feel happy and have a good sense of well being. That's one of the ways cannabis helps patients. Makes them feel good so they can have the strength to fight the disease. Sleep better, eat better, heal better, beat the disease.

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First thing we need to understand is Cannabis CAN cure cancer. It has worked for a lot but doesn't always work for everyone. Also if you undergo cannabis oil treatment for the cancer it should be done with proper diet and excercise as well as focus on spiritual healing also. The chemo is toxic and will destroy his immune system which is totally counterproductive for those trying to defeat cancer naturally. Preferably the oil treatment should be done before any chemo. If that's not an option then the patient should not be undergoing oil treatment and chemo at same time at least. Give him him three months of proper cannabis treatment along with the diet and exercise regimes and then have the blood tests done to see how the cancer is responding. 1:1 cbd/thc oil works well. Despite what people say properly purged butane extraction shows best results. But make sure to decarb the extraction very important to fight cancer is decarbing. Again as stated before the quality of the flowers is probably the most important part. The idea is to ingest as much as possible over a short period of time. There is no overdosing but too much can be overwhelming for a lot of people. Start em with a quarter gram a day then build up to a gram a day and then more if tolerable.

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I make a lot of hash, with water and ice, bubble bag style. The whole taking bud soaking it in alcohol  or other extraction methods is just not something I have not done.  I am wondering if I take hash put it with a little oil, decarbolize it by bringing it up to temp for a little bit am I accomplishing the same results.  

 

I know that his immune system is compromised and will be after the chemo and such.  I am loosing the sterilizing effect that say isoporpal alcohol offers but with the heating is that accomplishing the same thing.  My grow is organic and my medicine is very high end, I spray often for mites with neem oil and use ladybugs, but its still a plant and there will be impurities.  This is a big concern of mine, I really don't want to be introducing anything that could compromise his immune system.  Also when I make hash and its pressed and dried I freeze it for storage, So I would be taking frozen hash heating it  along with the oil, is this a legitimate strategy.

 

As I am reading I alcohol seems to be touted as a way to get higher yields, or like I said is there a sterilization that I would miss as a part of this also.

 

He has started the Chemo already, I am aware it would be best to do Simpson oil treatment before hand, so this would be after and may or may not happen at all, I am wanting to prepare now for just in case scenario or in case there is a long delay to find a bone marrow match that is the planned second step after the 60 days of chemo.

 

thanks already for all the information,  

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Oils used in the flowering end of the garden will ultimately be concentrated into an extraction targeting oils.  

 Mold would be the suspected issue in an ice water extraction, because of the introduced water.

For best results wait until  you solve the pest + treatments issues and get

your garden in tip top shape before providing to an immuno suppressed patient.

 

  You could have a meeting with his doctor with some of your proposed concentrate,

explain your gardening practices and issues, and let the physician decide whats best for his patient?

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The hash will work don't over think it too much. When or if you do start treatment just make sure you give enough to be affective and switch between strains to avoid tolerance and also to which he responds to better. Find a high cbc strain and include it with dosage. The cbd counteracts a lot of the negative effects people have from taking oil i.e. paranoia, heart racing, hallucinations etc... as well as the multitude of benefits cbd holds.

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For best results wait until  you solve the pest + treatments issues and get

your garden in tip top shape before providing to an immuno suppressed patient.

 

I can't imagine a time when I would not do all those preventative type things in my garden, doing that precludes this from being a source of help for this person then?

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NO he does not, he just graduated high school, its a friends son.

 

well I have had my bud tested before, I will do the same in this case, but back to my original question.  

 

''am loosing the sterilizing effect that say isoporpal alcohol offers but with the heating is that accomplishing the same thing''

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sterile technique requires more than the temperatures required to "decarb". If properly stored and processed using only quality mold free buds your hashish is fine for normal use. If the doctor agrees it can help I think the patient will agree. The dangers of contamination remain post processing for thought. buds, concentrate and oils, regardless of solvent used. I don't think anyone can expect a sterile product from a home grow. Homes, gardens, nutrients, hands, packaging, etc are not "sterile" to begin with,  and neither is the patients everyday diet most likely. I suspect intravenous applications require sterility more so than ingestible foods in this case.   Your hash contains many healing constituents than a solvent extraction will, tastes fuller, and is a prized commodity among many. what is your final "best" micron size bag? I haven't mastered the ice hash yet and am stuck on this dry sift method. the introduction of water bugs me a bit, but I still enjoy it.

 

Are you comfortable practicing your first solvent extraction and full solvent  recovery on this patient ?

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would testing like you can get for bud contamination work for simpson oil, so lets say I make a batch I can get it tested just like I can bud and then not worry, correct?

You can't depend on these unverifiable testing facilities to determine how safe cannabis oil is. You need to know how the cannabis is/was grown, that is the only way to determine it's viability for a patient. There has to be accountability at every step in the manufacturing process. That's what a real caregiver/grower does. If you depend on a lab to tell you everything you have your eggs all in one basket, it's not a good way to go. 

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Even a quarter gram of oil will probably be more potent than a gram of flower

Yes I understand that oil is more potent. But to suggest that oil alone works better than an equivalent amount of bud needed to achieve that oil is to suggest that the oil is good and the green plant material is bad/detracts from it.

 

Let's say it takes four grams of bud to make a gram of oil. Why is it better to fuss with an extraction when/if eating 4 grams of the bud is an option for the patient?

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sometimes eating a gram of bud is not an option. I avoid consuming buds for the gastric disturbances sometimes. One dog only eats buds, one cannot without throwing them up for thought. Concentrating the active ingredients that are responsible for palliative relief is a great way to introduce a more pure product without the vegetable matter. Of course the patient could just try to eat bud also, if it works out, perfectamundo!

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Some patients cant hold down 4 grams of bud,  the oil will be absorbed into the body much quicker,

 

Yes I understand that some patients can't hold down the bud material...but that doesn't answer my question.  Let's assume that some patients can't eat a brownie or muffin, etc. made with bud.  So they need oil.  But for patients who can consume some bud (made into a soup, muffin, bread, dissolved in milk, mixed into a standard meal, etc.) is there some added benefit to consuming pure oil vs. consuming oil with green plant parts attached?

 

In other words, why all of the attention to the extract?  Is the extract special and unique in its own right?  Or is its specialnesss only due to a more likely ability for patients to keep it down? 

 

If I can take 4 grams of bud and make one gram of oil, and assuming the patient can digest either bud or oil, is there a reason to take the extra time, expense, and risk to make an oil?  If this patient can handle eating the 4 grams of bud, is there any added benefit to making oil instead?

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Yes I understand that some patients can't hold down the bud material...but that doesn't answer my question.  Let's assume that some patients can't eat a brownie or muffin, etc. made with bud.  So they need oil.  But for patients who can consume some bud (made into a soup, muffin, bread, dissolved in milk, mixed into a standard meal, etc.) is there some added benefit to consuming pure oil vs. consuming oil with green plant parts attached?

 

In other words, why all of the attention to the extract?  Is the extract special and unique in its own right?  Or is its specialnesss only due to a more likely ability for patients to keep it down? 

 

If I can take 4 grams of bud and make one gram of oil, and assuming the patient can digest either bud or oil, is there a reason to take the extra time, expense, and risk to make an oil?  If this patient can handle eating the 4 grams of bud, is there any added benefit to making oil instead?

It's easier to keep a consistent dose with oil rather than "soup, muffin, bread, dissolved in milk, cookies, cupcakes, candy".  It's easier to carefully make a gel cap and have the patient swallow that, then trying to count on consistency of medible intake. Less variables. It's not really extra time when you consider you are going to have to prepare/cook no matter which way you do it for it to work.

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