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[Norby]

HAHAHA!!!  You're gonna love this!!!

 

I'm part of a survivalist board, SHTF type stuff.  So I started a couple posts here and there in the Medicinal Herb thread.  Then someone had to step up and say how terrible MJ was and how it made people lazy and ruined their lives.  I pointed to some info denying these claims and told them they were biased and moved on.

  The posts over the last few months were then removed from the medicinal herbs thread and put into a thread entitled medical marijuana.  People were told it was about MEDICAL not recreational, well there were still a few bad apples but I handled them well and explained how they were just angry people.

  I mean how could someone want to pay tax dollars to have a bunch of thugs go and round up non violent people and throw them in jail and pay for someone to watch them.  They must be against people being happy, right?  And so bigotted against them that they'd pay for people to violate their rights.  Was that harsh?

  Well I'm awaiting a response on what happened to the thread as it was removed.

I then had to repost 3 times to the medicinal herbs thread that MJ had been re entered into the AHP. and finally got it to stick when I said if this isn't pertinent to a medicinal herds thread I have no clue what is.  I mean MJ entered into the American Herbal Pharmacopia, kinda what the thread was based on, geesh.

Hopefully they'll put the thread back up and it was just some crap from other people that had to be removed.  Definitely a hot button topic.  you'd figure survivalists who are all about other conspiracy theories would be all over this.  I mean this is a REAL PROVEABLE conspiracy!  Holy crappola!

[t-pain]

prohibition propaganda has corrupted even the most paranoid minds.

 

good job norby, we all need to openly discuss marijuana. the more open everyone is about it and the more people learn and use logic about what is happening, the better for all. why do people want other people to go to jail for a plant? just because they get high? it doesnt make any sense whatsoever.

 

one of the youtube gardening channels i watch , the guy just got his mmj card in california and did an episode about it. plenty of comments from his subscribers spouting propaganda and saying they would unsubscribe from his channel.

 

 

one or two "think of the children or schools who subscribed". yes, children wont explode if you show them a cannabis plant. its not deadly, its not magic, its not poison. the children might actually learn something *gasp*.

[Norby]

HAHAHAHA.  What a JOKE.

This is the reply I received:

 

I've been out and the moderator who trashed the thread is out now so I can't ask him. However, my guess for why it was trashed, having reviewed the last part of the thread, would be when you started posting the 'reports' of people being healed from cancer, COPD, etc. you pushed the believeability of your posts. Nowhere is medical marijuana indicated for those things except on a couple of tinfoil sites, one of which you quoted multiple times in your later posts. You took a giant leap from the proposed legal use of medical marijuana for pain relief that is legal in a few states and being considered in others and jumped right into snake oil sales territory.

Some of the links so moderators could verify there was no copyright violation were broken.

And the icing on the cake was most likely the you tube videos that you even admitted had swearing in them which violated the forum's language rules.

This forum has a strong 'nothing illegal' stance and the posts toward the end of the thread were stomping all over that rule. I gave the thread about a 50/50 chance of it being able to stay on the forum when I moved your posts and set it up. I thought that chance was better than the certain trashing of the posts if I deleted them from the medical herbs thread you had derailed with your posts. This is not really the forum for your topic because of our 'nothing illegal' rule no matter how fervently you believe in it.

I need to warn you that reposting or starting a new thread on the subject will most likely end up with you getting moderation action against you. Once a thread is deleted, that is a final moderation decision.

[Hydraulic Jack]

Fugem...HJ

[Norby]

Believability of my posts, on a conspiracy website!!!  There are posts for WD40 for pain and coconut oil for epilepsy in dogs and for people using fish antibiotics but my links to testimonials are snake oil?  Not a scientific link in the bunch either.  I could go on and on about everything he mentioned being allowed somewhere on teh site and I could go and flag a thousand posts but what's the sense in that.  Eventually we'll be free

[Norby]

Waiting to see if I can talk with the site owner.  If not then I'm gone from there for good.  My , can't find the word, won't let me continue to stay and post there.  oh well

[trichcycler]

glad to see you've "survived" that board and their communist approach towards you and frankly all of us.

soon as I saw your first line I began to envision us meeting for lunch someday... we're almost neighbors you know, and

I promise to leave my smart phone home too if it happens. wait, I refused to upgrade, so no worries. here I am....

 

[Norby]

Well I got one last one in.  They removed my post in medicinal herbs which had a link to a news article that said the AHP had the 60 pg monograph for cannabis ready.  Well I found a link to their personal website(AHP) which had new copies of the AHP for 2014 WITH CANNABIS ADDED.  So I just made a post saying the new AHP was out with recently added herbs and posted the link.  That's the last I'll go to that censoring site.  Well it censors mj but not how to use WD40 for your pain and links how to use fish antibiotics on yourself or coconut oil for your dogs epilepsy, without any peer reviewed papers attached.  That got a good laugh though.

 

Got another lunch date i have to get to first but I like lunch

Edited November 5, 2014 by Norby

[trichcycler]

fish antibiotics you say.....don't knock that resource Norby buddy. Try to get a pre emptive rx for tetracycline or others from a doc. I did, said I wanted a #500 bottle of cipro for my go bag, my doc laughed at me, and said "no, really, you need any pain killers or tranqs" ? and he was serious. no cipro, but the go bag is full of "fish store antibiotics".

 

In reality though, this is where I get the anti's if needed for tissue culture projects. not available anywhere cept mexicorxcom or similar, and I avoid that crap.

 

givem hell!

[Norby]

Well, I decided to start a thread in the grievance section.  Reason I went after the fish antibiotics was to show the absurdity and get them to put my darn work back up.  I'd use them if need be   I really feel it's a terrible disservice to their site and the people who go there for info.

 

easy enough to get antibiotics if you breed and raise our food though

[Norby]

In my final parting I called them for their uneven dolling of the "rules" and that "it's illegal in more than half the states and the info is out there if people want it" shows their bias against the content.  They allow people to suggest using wd40 for pain and fish meds on humans and that's illegal anywhere(I think).  I asked them about the link to the AHP and if it would have to go too and at least the gov't doesn't order the burning of the books. 

[Norby]

I was right.  You have to read between the lines with them but I was informed that there is a "stigma" there with MJ.  I finally figured out what that means.  It's a republican site!!  well i called them on it and asked when i can come back and talk about it.  When it reaches illegal in only 14-20 states like leghold traps and snares, which are openly discussed on the site or 30 rnd clips which are only illegal in a few states, etc..  And no one wanted to touch the wd40 for pain and the other inconsistencies.  Well I told them I didn't want to be part of a site that was bigotted against it's members for the meds they choose.  and then, for the movement, I explained that this ranting was not against the mods, except for the bait and switch of putting it into my own thread when it was failed from the start because it's illegal, hence baiting me in, but was ranting against the policy and not them.

[Norby]

Here is the whole thread between me and the mods.  We have a LOOONG way to go.

 

Medical marijuana

I was wondering why my thread and posts were taken down when there are threads about wd40 as a painkiller, coconut oil for dogs with epilepsy, suggesting people use fish antibiotics, testimonies from people thru youtube and talk of over 10 round clips when NYS can see them, etc.etc.etc. I haven't really got a explanation of what I'm violating by posting a link that cannabis has been added BACK to the American Herbal Pharamacopeia. I have posted peer reviewed scientific articles about Cannabis and they were allowed then taken away when i have no clue what sets it off. ive' been told maybe legality but it's legal in 2(possibly up to 5 tonite)st atesfo r recreation and up to 25 for medicine. I could post scientific peer reviewed articles about the anti viral, fungal, microbial,viral and bacterial qualities and show that it's used for all the ailments mentioned and recommended by DRS. It would be the single most important medicine post SHTF and I think your doing a terrible disservice by not allowing even links to news stories here. That's strait up censorship.
i appreciate your consideration.

 

reply mike

 

Currently it's illegal in more states than it's legal in. There's plenty of information about it available on the net if people are interested.

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oldwarrior reply

 

I deleted it, lots of it was copy n paste jobs with material from other sites thus violating the forums copyright rules. Way too much of a mess to clean up so I tossed it.

 

Me

 

There were a lot with links to the sites, just as it's required. I don't even think i did 2 copy and paste's in the whole thread. All the copy and pastes had been up for weeks before it was even moved and it was moved by a mod so I figured they'd seem it. What about the American Herbal Pharmacopiea? Are you going to erase the one I posted about the new AHP book out now too? I didn't even mention cannabis in that one and I can't help they mention they added cannabis on the order page. At least our gov't doesn't burn the books on MJ.

I still think it's the number 1 medicine post SHTF (and pre) and you're doing a disservice to your members. I was told if I try it again I'll get 30 days out and my posts keep vanishing and I don't like the censorship. The "it's out there if people want to see it" is further proof you just don't like the content. Don't worry i erased the link to anti viral qualities of cannabis and how it works unlike other antivirals and would be the best bet against ebola and i erased the scientist explaining how cannabis shrinks tumors and creates for apoptosis. I won't be back to bother y'all. if it was the content all you would've had to do is cut it off before i decided to waste my time adding to it to try and help people instead of moving it.
So now I'm getting it wasn't even allowed in the first place, even though a mod started the thread for me, because it's illegal.
As I said isn't it illegal to recommend fish antibiotics for people? says ornamental use only. What about wd40 for pain relief? all those things are fine even though recommending them is illegal? In all 50 states. Or is it dolled out because some people complain about the topic of MJ even though it doesn't have a thing to do with them?

 

mel reply

 

Try to at least keep it straight.

I did not tell you that you would get a 30 day ban if you posted it again. You asked if it was ok to make a thread to tell everyone on the forum why you were leaving or would it be deleted, and I told you that was called a goodbye thread, it would be deleted and goodbye threads, per the rules, were 30 day bans.

I also told you I moved the beginnings of the thread into a thread because at first it was somewhat on topic and it was definitely derailing the thread it was moved to. I also told you I thought it had about a 25% chance of staying on the forum. I did not feel I could judge the content well enough to simply delete it myself.

My day would have been much simpler had I deleted it and issued you an infraction for derailing the original thread and violating the cut and paste part of the copyright violation rule. My lesson learned. It doesn't pay to try to help, nor do the multiple pm's I responded to mean anything as you misrepresented what I said.

 

Me reply

 

I need to warn you that reposting or starting a new thread on the subject will most likely end up with you getting moderation action against you. Once a thread is deleted, that is a final moderation decision.
Sorry, I misremembered which caused which action but there are your words, sorry. Point is it was gone and if I tried it again I would "most likely"(keeping me from trying it), well whatever.

You said it had a 50/50 chance AFTER it was deleted. Didn't say anything about it beforehand. Now your misrepresenting what you said. i only messed up with an infraction or action and 30 day ban, don't quite know the difference. again apologies.

And why would you have to "judge the content"? I don't understand that, you mean if it's accepted science?

And had i known about copy and paste I would've cleaned it up myself. So is the consensus I just can't mention cannabis? esentially in the part i pasted from your letter the topic itself was off limits. Is it the cut and paste, is it cannabis, what should I not do if I stay on the site. Just stay away from the topic of cannabis period? It's illegal in half the states, does that mean it shouldn't have been in the first place, what?

And I didn't derail teh thread, I added info on an herb that' was in the AHP from 1851-1942 and was just reissued. The derailing was people claiming it's bad with no proof and illiciting a response. I put up a lot of solid info on accepted herbal medicine.

 

If it gets taken off scedule 1 status and becomes legal federally can I come back and talk about it then? If more than 25 states legalize for medicine can i talk about it?

The way I see it is it was either not allowed in the first place because it's illegal in some places. Next it was moved into another thread with copy and paste still there and would've been deleted anyway even when I could've cleaned it up, in turn wasting my time adding to it. Or it's because of swearing in a youtube video, which I warned of and that post could've been removed. Snake oil salesman type posts, which I've seen everywhere and noted for you here. What is the final decision and reason and what can I and can't I post about? I already know about the swearing and copy and paste and have heard I can't post testimonial youtube videos because tehy are snake oil salesmanny even though I see them everywhere. Even though I'm not "selling" anything.

 

 

Mike reply

 

The topic has a couple of strikes against it here. First off, it's illegal. That alone is enough to eliminate it from discussion here. Secondly is the site standards. It has a stigma against it and this is not the place to challenge the stigma. Everyone knows it has a lot of medicinal properties. They can further research it for themselves. I've seen how these threads go. They always delve into cultivation, processing, even sources. This is just not the site for that.

Maybe in the future it will be made legal, and the stigma will fade. We'll cross that bridge when we get to it. But not this early.

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Me reply

 

Ahh, so you censor here because of stigma. Ok. As for the snake oil salesman comment, you should read up on the endocannabinoid system and find out exactly how it can help all these problems. Your ignorance on the topic doesn't help anyone. If you knew about the endocannabinoid system and understood it you would'nt have called me a snake oil salesman.
Thanks for the bait and switch though. I feel like I've been made the fool, congrats.
And it's now legal in 5 states and medical is legal in GUam as of last nite. What do we actually have to achieve to fulfill your standards? Does it have to make the status of leg hold traps and snares and only be illegal in 14-20 states to be discussed here? Could you give me a hurdle that we have to hit? Maybe 70% of the states allowing medical? something, youre begining to make me think you guys just don't like it and will dole out the rules unevenly to prevent it.
Well thank you for letting me know you set me up with that and that you don't dole out the laws evenly around here because i don't stay where I'm not wanted and you sirs/madams are bigotted against people for the medicine they choose. So no comment on suggesting WD40 for pain, coconut oil for dogs epilepsy, no one wants to touch that? Your silence speaks volumes. i'll find a survivalist website that allows the truth. Even taking down the reissueing of the AHP. You guys are amazing. And I'm glad i found out the truth before adding more to the site.

Oh I get it, it's the republican thing. It has a "stigma" I get it. I'm terrible with subtleties, if you guys would just talk strait it would've been much easier. It's like the Chic Fila thing. I get it. My apologies.

And this isn't against any mods except for the bait and switch, the frustration over the policy is what I'm "yelling" at

 

Mel reply

 

You keep missing the illegal aspect. Federal law still shows marijuana is illegal. Not all states are jumping on the bandwagon. The measure failed in Florida's election yesterday.

I'm closing this thread now because there is nothing to be gained from a continuing argument. Three moderators have told you the same thing. It will stand as it is which is not on this forum.

 

 

Old warrior reply

 

I just want to interject on the 'censorship' victim card that keeps coming up.....private forum, it has its own set of rules. You may want to look over them and if you dont like them....plenty of other forums out there;

 

 

So they dole out the rules according to their politics over there and I let them know in a private note since they closed the thread.  they actually threw Fla in my face with a 58% support and didn't mention the 4 that passed!   And I let him know he supports the will of the politicians and not the people.  And i let them know if they have problems amongst the mods there don't throw the members under the bus because of it.  They used the illegal card when a mod compiled it and moved it for me.  FKIN crazy donkey republicans.  darn politics wants to ruin it for everyone who doesn't play their control games.  Some people just want to be able to protect themselves and take care of themselves and fck who we want to if they're game and the whole political world wants to screw it up for us!!!

 

Anyone know of a good survivalist site that allows for discussion of legal meds?

Edited November 5, 2014 by Norby

[trichcycler]

or even groups of real, likeminded individuals ?

[Norby]

Had to get one last one in:

Sent to all the mods.

 

You may want to post that up publicly so that all the mods are on the same page and you don't throw members under the bus for it.  make it publicly known, don't use the members as your pawns.  It's now legal for anyone in 4 states and DC and Fla failed by a needing 60% and they got 58%.   This week it will be found that it's sched 1 status is unconstitutional and it'll change everywhere and i'll be back then to bring it up again.
Everything I'm doing for myself is legal in my state and the feds gave their approval.  You won't be able to hide behind "legality" much longer.  All I wanted was the truth, not waffleing, and an apology for you guys/gals catching me in the middle of your drama.

Edited November 5, 2014 by Norby

[Norby]

or even groups of real, likeminded individuals ?

We can call it pot smokin, gun totin hippies n queers dot com    Who else can we include?

 

Or gun totin pot smokin hippies and commie pinko fags dot com  i don't want to leave out the lesbians as my sisters in law would be angry   They like guns too

Edited November 5, 2014 by Norby

[trichcycler]

hehe

 

I meant real life people, no avatards.

[phaquetoo]

Believability of my posts, on a conspiracy website!!!  There are posts for WD40 for pain and coconut oil for epilepsy in dogs and for people using fish antibiotics but my links to testimonials are snake oil?  Not a scientific link in the bunch either.  I could go on and on about everything he mentioned being allowed somewhere on teh site and I could go and flag a thousand posts but what's the sense in that.  Eventually we'll be free

lol my grandma god rest her soul ran out and got all kinds of wd40 to rub on her soar legs and knees and ankles lol, all of her friends did it too, when she died I took the wd40 home with me, Im still using it lol, it may last me forever!  Now that is snake oil lmao!

 

R.I.P granny!

 

Peace

[Norby]

HAHAHA  Ive got a 2 week ban for the last one.  Never been banned from a website before, esp for harassing mods.   I'm not going to push it as I want to go back and rub it in MIke's face when it get's taken off sched 1.  he's the one wiping down anything MJ.