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Any opinions on the grand jury saying they wont seek charges on the cop that shot the kid?

 

Peace

 

I think the cops that killed the homeless guy in, bay city or sag should have been charged, come on they fired over 70 shots at one man, there were a ton of cops there, no one had a taser?

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Cops think they can do what ever they want. he could have shot the guy in the gut, leg, shoulder , anywhere ,, but he chose to shoot him in all them places, i don't care how big he was a few non lethal shots would be fine... he was pissed he got his donkey kicked,, and just killed him in a fit of rage.. he should be on trial, he should do time,, you shoot someone like that and guess what, you'll be charged and have to prove your way out.. but not pigs, they always back each other.. remember guys its them against us.. they get away with this stuff, and its easier next time....

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When this all happened they showed the video of the young man stealing from the store, and other pics that did not look like the nice kid in his graduation pic, I havent seen them since the beginning,,,,,,I didnt realize the cop was so young!  I seen the interview also this morning,,,it kinda gave me food for thought actualy!

 

I feel bad for any one who lost their child like this!  If it realy happened like young leo says well I can understand the verdict, but after seeing this guy in the interview im not so sure,,,,,,,I dont trust cops!  this one wont be working any where soon even though they found him not at fault!   it just isnt blacks protesting either!

 

but I dont see why they have to destroy others property when things dont go there way, the stores they burned down had nothing to do with any of it,,,,,I kinda understand the cop car fires,,,,,,,people are nuts, even when they win a sporting event they riot and destroy things,,,maybe it is because they dont have their own things to destroy!

 

What happened to non violent protest, even mlk got a million people to do d.c non violently!

 

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I despise police brutality. I have been a victim. they should all wear cameras full time. Cop says he was inside a car when this happened. I suspect in that position target acquisition would be very difficult, even at the range.

If I was a cop holding a gun and a (known?) thug was tugging at my pistol hand while fighting me I would pull the trigger as fast as I could till it clicked dry, as soon as the barrel seemed aligned with a body part during the struggle.

 

 

 

I wasn't there, and don't know the truth yet. I don't trust the system, or the cop, or big thuggies though.

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There is just no excuse for a cop to shoot an unarmed person, don't they teach these cops any tactics? Other tools like a baton? His life wasn't in immediate danger! He could have walked up and put a gun to his head and pulled the trigger, it would not have made any difference, they will not prosecute cops for anything, that just our broken system. Willy's right it's us the population against them. Obama trying to play the race card makes me sick, its not a race thing at all.

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I read somewhere that Missouri law states that police have the right to use deadly force to subdue a criminal if it was believed a felony was committed.

 

Public attention to this killing has frequently focused on the fact that Brown was unarmed. But whether or not Brown had a weapon makes little difference under Missouri law. State law says officers can act with deadly force when they believe it is necessary to arrest a person who has committed a felony or who may "endanger life or inflict serious physical injury."

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/11/25/grand-jury-focused-on-key-fatal-ferguson-tussle/20999131/?ncid=webmail2

 

So they get to decide on the spot that someone is guilty of a felony?  If they use deadly force, there is no arrest. 

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Here it is !

http://www.documentcloud.org/documents/1370766-interview-po-darren-wilson.html

and a story recap from http://www.vox.com/2014/11/25/7281165/darren-wilsons-story-side

We've finally heard from Officer Darren Wilson .

Wilson had been publicly silent since the events of August 9, when he shot and killed 18-year-old Michael Brown  in Ferguson, Missouri. And, even as the grand jury announced its decision not to indict him, he remained silent. He had his attorneys release a statement on his behalf.




But on Monday night, St. Louis County prosecutor Robert McCulloch released the evidence given to the grand jury, including the interview police did with Wilson in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. And so we got to read, for the first time, Wilson's full, immediate account of his altercation with Brown.

And it is unbelievable.

I mean that in the literal sense of the term: "difficult or impossible to believe." But I want to be clear here. I'm not saying Wilson is lying. I'm not saying his testimony is false. I am saying that the events, as he describes them, are simply bizarre. His story is difficult to believe.




The story Wilson tells goes like this:

At about noon on August 9th, Wilson hears on the radio that there's a theft in progress at the Ferguson Market. The suspect is a black male in a black shirt.

Moments later, Wilson sees two young black men walking down the yellow stripe in the center of the street. He pulls over. "Hey guys, why don't you walk on the sidewalk?" They refuse. "We're almost at our destination," one of them replies. Wilson tries again. "But what's wrong with the sidewalk?" he asks.

And then things get weird.

Brown's response to "what's wrong with the sidewalk?", as recorded by Wilson, is "flower what you have to say." Remember, Wilson is a uniformed police officer, in a police car, and Brown is an 18-year-old kid who just committed a robbery. And when asked to use the sidewalk, Wilson says Brown replied, "flower what you have to say."


Wilson says Brown replied, "flower what you have to say."

Wilson backs his car up and begins to open the door. "Hey, come here," he said to the kid who just cursed at him. He says Brown replied, "What the flower you gonna do?" And then Brown, in Wilson's telling, slams the car door closed. Wilson tries to open the door again, tells Brown to get back, and then Brown leans into the vehicle and begins punching him.

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Photos surround Michael Brown's casket in Ferguson, MO. (Richard Perry-Pool/Getty Images)

Let's take a breath and recap. Wilson sees two young black men walking in the middle of the street. He pulls over and politely asks them to use the sidewalk. They refuse. He asks again, still polite. Brown tells Wilson — again, a uniformed police officer in a police car — "flower what you have to say." Wilson stops his car, tries to get out, and Brown slams the car door on him and then begins punching him through the open window.

What happens next is the most unbelievable moment in the narrative. And so it's probably best that I just quote Wilson's account at length on it.


I was doing the, just scrambling, trying to get his arms out of my face and him from grabbing me and everything else. He turned to his...if he's at my vehicle, he turned to his left and handed the first subject. He said, "here, take these." He was holding a pack of — several packs of cigarillos which was just, what was stolen from the Market Store was several packs of cigarillos. He said, "here, hold these" and when he did that I grabbed his right arm trying just to control something at that point. Um, as I was holding it, and he came around, he came around with his arm extended, fist made, and went like that straight at my face with his...a full swing from his left hand.

So Brown is punching inside the car. Wilson is scrambling to deflect the blows, to protect his face, to regain control of the situation. And then Brown stops, turns to his left, says to his friend, "Here, hold these," and hands him the cigarillos stolen from Ferguson Market. Then he turns back to Wilson and, with his left hand now freed from holding the contraband goods, throws a haymaker at Wilson.

Every moo poo detector in me went off when I read that passage. Which doesn't mean that it didn't happen exactly the way Wilson describes. But it is, again, hard to imagine. Brown, an 18-year-old kid holding stolen goods, decides to attack a cop and, while attacking him, stops, hands his stolen goods to his friend, and then returns to the beatdown. It reads less like something a human would do and more like a moment meant to connect Brown to the robbery.

Wilson next recounts his thought process as he reached for a weapon. He considered using his mace, but at such close range, the mace might get in his eyes, too. He doesn't carry a taser with a fireable cartridge, but even if he did, "it probably wouldn't have hit [brown] anywhere". Wilson couldn't reach his baton or his flashlight. So he went for his gun.

Brown sees him go for the gun. And he replies: "You're too much of a making whoopee who-who to shoot me."


"You're too much of a making whoopee who-who to shoot me."

Again, stop for a moment and think about that. Brown is punching Wilson, sees the terrified cop reaching for his gun, and says "You're too much of a making whoopee who-who to shoot me." He dares him to shoot.

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A protestors holds up a sign saying "don't shoot". (Joe Raedle/Getty Images)

And then Brown grabs Wilson's gun, twists it, and points it at Wilson's "pelvic area". Wilson regains control of the firearm and gets off a shot, shattering the glass. Brown backs up a half step and, realizing he's unharmed, dives back into the car to attack Wilson. Wilson fires again, and then Brown takes off running. (You can see the injuries Wilson sustained from the fight in these photographs.)

Wilson exits the car to give chase. He yells at Brown to get down on the ground. Here, I'm going to go back to Wilson's words:


When he stopped, he turned, looked at me, made like a grunting noise and had the most intense, aggressive face I've ever seen on a person. When he looked at me, he then did like the hop...you know, like people do to start running. And, he started running at me. During his first stride, he took his right hand put it under his shirt into his waistband. And I ordered him to stop and get on the ground again. He didn't. I fired multiple shots. After I fired the multiple shots, I paused a second, yelled at him to get on the ground again, he was still in the same state. Still charging, hand still in his waistband, hadn't slowed down.

The stuff about Brown putting his hand in his waistband is meant to suggest that Wilson had reason to believe Brown might pull a gun. But it's strange. We know Brown didn't have a gun. And that's an odd fact to obscure while charging a police officer.

Either way, at that point, Wilson shoots again, and kills Brown.

There are inconsistencies in Wilson's story. He estimates that Brown ran 20-30 feet away from the car and then charged another 10 feet back towards Wilson. But we know Brown died 150 feet away from the car.

There are also consistencies. St Louis prosecutor Robert McCulloch said that Brown's DNA was found inside Wilson's car, suggesting there was a physical altercation inside the vehicle. We know shots were fired from inside the car. We know Brown's bullet wounds show he was only hit from the front, never from the back.

But the larger question is, in a sense, simpler: Why?

Why did Michael Brown, an 18-year-old kid headed to college, refuse to move from the middle of the street to the sidewalk? Why would he curse out a police officer? Why would he attack a police officer? Why would he dare a police officer to shoot him? Why would he charge a police officer holding a gun? Why would he put his hand in his waistband while charging, even though he was unarmed?


None of this fits with what we know of Michael Brown

None of this fits with what we know of Michael Brown. Brown wasn't a hardened felon. He didn't have a death wish. And while he might have been stoned, this isn't how stoned people act. The toxicology report did not indicate he was on PCP or something that would've led to suicidal aggression.

Which doesn't mean Wilson is a liar. Unbelievable things happen every day. The fact that his story raises more questions than it answers doesn't mean it isn't true.

But the point of a trial would have been to try to answer these questions. We would have either found out if everything we thought we knew about Brown was wrong, or if Wilson's story was flawed in important ways. But now we're not going to get that chance. We're just left with Wilson's unbelievable story.

More: Michael Brown spent his last day with his friend Dorian Johnson. Johnson was also there when Officer Wilson stopped Brown. Here's where Johnson's testimony corroborates, and diverges, from Wilson's account

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Yes, the story is weird.  But it is weird from the beginning.  It appears incontrovertible that Brown strong-armed a convenience store clerk and stole.  Then he arrogantly walked down the middle of the street and disrespected a cop who asked him to move to the sidewalk.  You'd think that a guy who just robbed a store would be more discreet.  I don't blame Brown for his own death, but it seems he could have affected the outcome better if he exercised just a bit of discretion.

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Robert McCulloch   Robert McCulloch is also the president of The Backstoppers, Inc., an organization used to fundraise for the men and women in uniform in both Missouri and Illinois. And, in August, his organization was affiliated with a t-shirt drive featuring a picture of Missouri and the statement “I SUPPORT OFFICER D. WILSON” which was set up to raise money for the Darren Wilson Defense Fund as well as The Backstoppers.//

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http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/07/25/st-louis-county-police-officer-charged/    the same pa  but different color person

 

CLAYTON, Mo. (AP) — A 13-year veteran of the St. Louis County Police Department is charged with felony assault after striking a MetroLink passenger on the hand with his expandable baton following an argument.

The county Prosecuting Attorney’s Office on Friday charged 44-year-old Dawon Gore of Ferguson with second-degree assault. He was jailed on a $3,500, cash-only bond.

Gore is accused of using excessive force against an unnamed 24-year-old light-rail passenger in late April at the Hanley Road station in Clayton. He’s been assigned to the department’s MetroLink unit since May 2012.

A police press release says the investigation was forwarded to prosecutor Bob McCullough in early May with a recommendation to press charges.

Copyright 2014 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

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they should have taken him to trial to be convicted/exhonorated.

 

anything less is crap.

 

zimmerman got a trial.

thats all anyone wants, just a trial. 12 peers.

 

exactly what i was going to say..

 

a grand jury is just supposed to decide if there is enough evidence to proceed to trial... not decide any facts about the case..

 

this should have gone to trial in my humble opinion..

 

every LEO shooting should go to trial and be heard by a jury of our peers.

 

i also believe LEO needs to have way way way more NON-LETHAL options.

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i just installed one of these..

 

http://www.carcameradirect.com/photo-gallery.html

 

for just such an occasion..

 

and i am going to amend my copy of this ->

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to include the statement - "this conversation may be recorded and sent to an offsite server for backup protection - You have the right to remain Silent - anything you say CAN and WILL be used against you

 

have a nice evening :) "

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Cops think they can do what ever they want. he could have shot the guy in the gut, leg, shoulder , anywhere ,, but he chose to shoot him in all them places, i don't care how big he was a few non lethal shots would be fine... he was pissed he got his donkey kicked,, and just killed him in a fit of rage.. he should be on trial, he should do time,, you shoot someone like that and guess what, you'll be charged and have to prove your way out.. but not pigs, they always back each other.. remember guys its them against us.. they get away with this stuff, and its easier next time....

You can't be that accurate with a handgun.  Very hard to hit a moving target with a handgun let alone hit a small moving target. 

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