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Hi everyone! I tried a reg. strength indica cap (made from either plant or hash)from a dispensary which wasn't strong enough so I tried their double strength indica cap (made from a concentrate, wax I think). WOW! It was a little heavy for me but greatly enjoyed the feeling especially since i was completely numb.I felt the best I had in 10 + years, had the best night of sleep, and even woke up not in pain. I tried the double strength again last night from the same dispensary but didn't have the same experience. The only thing I did differently is that the first time I took the cap, I took it on an empty stomach. When I took it last night, I took it 20 minutes after eating because I forgot to take it before. Is this the reason why I didn't have the same experience and didn't find it as strong? It felt as though I took a regular strength cap. I'm trying to figure out why I had different results. After the first time, I was thinking that this is the route I need to go and I was going to ask advice on how to get there because I can't afford $10 a cap for the entire month with me getting SSD. And now, I'm not sure and feeling overwhelmed cause i was feeling hopeful and now i'm not! Thoughts and/or advice would be greatly appreciated!!

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could be one of the variables.   standards in production from one cap to another, varying suppliers, varying supply, varying "bs" from dispensary markteers, all could be to blame.

 

maybe try again using some controls to reference-- could yield a solid med with a particular mode of ingestion to follow for a personal win for you!  well worth the trials I'd say.

fat/oils taken with cannabis oil will digest friendlier than cannabis oil alone.

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could be one of the variables.   standards in production from one cap to another, varying suppliers, varying supply, varying "bs" from dispensary markteers, all could be to blame.

 

maybe try again using some controls to reference-- could yield a solid med with a particular mode of ingestion to follow for a personal win for you!  well worth the trials I'd say.

fat/oils taken with cannabis oil will digest friendlier than cannabis oil alone.

I'm not trying to be smart, just trying to understand since I don't know much about these things. Are you saying or suggesting that I should take something fatty/oily with a cap to better digest it? Also, I should mention that when I went in the dispensary (after taking the "double" strength indica cap for the first time) to get more info about the caps since I had such a good experience, that the guy told me that the reg. indica cap had about 70 mg of thc and the "double" had about 100 mg but made with concentrate. Now when I went to the dispensary to try for 2nd time, a different guy told me that the " double" had about 140 mg of thc.
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If I try this again and have the experience I did the first time, how do I try to replicate it? Would it be better and more cost effective for me to fill my own caps instead of going through a dispensary? And if so, does anyone have a recommendation on what to use since I know nothing about concentrates?

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I'm not trying to be smart, just trying to understand since I don't know much about these things. Are you saying or suggesting that I should take something fatty/oily with a cap to better digest it? Also, I should mention that when I went in the dispensary (after taking the "double" strength indica cap for the first time) to get more info about the caps since I had such a good experience, that the guy told me that the reg. indica cap had about 70 mg of thc and the "double" had about 100 mg but made with concentrate. Now when I went to the dispensary to try for 2nd time, a different guy told me that the " double" had about 140 mg of thc.

 

 

I understand from my patients that ingesting cannabis oil with other fatty foods, milk, cheese, etc goes a long way towards a positive experience.

The information you receive from the workers at a dispensary could be incorrect, or made up to make a sale. Since dispensaries are currently outlawed in our state, and seems like a money grab, trusting their info is a caveat emptor affair.

 

If I try this again and have the experience I did the first time, how do I try to replicate it? Would it be better and more cost effective for me to fill my own caps instead of going through a dispensary? And if so, does anyone have a recommendation on what to use since I know nothing about concentrates?

Without uniform production standards every experience can be different, and even with exact products these experiences vary from patient to patient, from day to day sometimes. I distrusted the suppliers of concentrate the minute I learned how to make it. Solvent choices, original cannabis material quality, temperatures, exposure, storage, solvent removal are considerations to keep in mind when purchasing a strangers wares, and when producing your own.

 

I posted the easiest fastest safest way to produce a concentrate that I've found here http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/topic/44672-essential-tools-of-the-trade/in the first post. I believe your experience will be better if you decarboxylate your dried bud material before you "shake" it. Weigh out an amount, consume it, take notes, repeat. Start small, wait hours for effects, repeat until your best dose is found.

 

welcome to the world of concentrates!

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Make your own cannabutter.That way you control how much you need to take.There are recipes on the homepage from Trix. If I can make it,you can. Use coconut oil,you can find it at stores like Trader Joes or Whole Foods. The butter will taste like AZZ.................I put a tablespoon of butter,put some un-melted coconut oil on top and some sugar and gag it down by taking a big drink of something. Sometimes I put the same mix on a saltine cracker. You can judge for yourself what dosage you need.I ONLY use my own or my CGs butter,that way I know it's safe. You can put it in capsules,but it takes a long time to do.You can also make suppositories if you cannot eat anything.Do NOT use capsules for suppositories. Chill it enough to roll it and stuff it.

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I don't know if I'd trust that place. If I'm not mistaken most dosages of THC in commercial edibles are 15 or 30 mgs.

 

Absorption rates differ for a variety of reasons. Taking it right before a meal seems to work best for me. Coconut oil and lecithin help a great deal.

 

If you're able to grow your own and make your own edibles it would be to your advantage. You know exactly what you're getting and can adjust the dosages to meet your needs.

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If I try this again and have the experience I did the first time, how do I try to replicate it? Would it be better and more cost effective for me to fill my own caps instead of going through a dispensary? And if so, does anyone have a recommendation on what to use since I know nothing about concentrates?

If you are growing  your own meds It would be way more cost effective to make your own than purchasing it from a despens, Myself I would never eat oil from some one I dont know and how it was made, and also w/o testing it in as many ways as I know how, and I dont mean paying any one to test it, there is a dif feeling each time I take it, Im trying to figure out if it is a strain dif or the way you make it dif!

 

I have been experimenting with this on myself, here is the thread I have been writing in,,,

 

http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/topic/47405-i-would-just-like-to-share/

 

Peace

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I just moved to Michigan from the south a couple of months ago. I don't know anyone here so I DO NOT have a caregiver nor can I afford to grow my own anytime soon.

 

Q1: Is it better going with a caregiver vs a dispensary and is it cheaper or the same price?

 

I have been making sugar cookies with some cannabis oil I make myself from this recipe that my brother found for me:

 

use 1/2 cup coconut oil, 5g bud (finely ground), 1/4 cup soy lecithin.

You'll also need a cupcake pan with the deepest cupcakes you have and you'll need aluminum foil and a strainer.

DO NOT REMOVE FOIL WHENEVER THE PAN IS SUPPOSED TO BE COOLING

Directions

Decarb

- Preheat oven to 220 f

- Place bud in cupcake pan

- Double seal cupcake pan with aluminum foil (2 layers)

- Heat bud in oven for 20 minutes 

- Turn oven off and let cupcake pan cool in slightly open oven for 10 minutes

Heat

- Preheat oven to 220 f

- Heat coconut oil in a pan or microwave

- Add soy lecithin and then heated coconut oil to cupcake dish and blend well

- Double cupcake pah with aluminum foil

- Place cupcake pan in oven for 45 minutes at 220 f

- Keep oven on and let the pan cool outside oven for 10 minutes

- Mash and stir oil with spoon

Heat Again

- Double seal cupcake pan with aluminum foil (2 layers)

- Place pan in oven for 45 minutes at 220 f

- Turn oven off and let pan cool inside oven until cool

Strain

- Strain

 

Q2: is this right or am I doing something wrong?

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I usually get 30 cookies from a batch and would take 2 at a time but it hasn't been working. I even tried 3 last night and still didn't get the relief I needed. I need to make some more tomorrow

 

Q3: should I put more bud in it? Or a concentrate or what?

 

I just don't know. Any more thoughts or advice would be appreciated as always.

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Depending on your monthly amount used and the price you pay currently,  a caregiver may be more cost effective than a dispensary. Between 175-300 per ounce is the price I hear often charged by caregivers for their service. Some caregivers are not comfortable delivering smaller gram amounts, a common consideration.

 

It's very difficult to advise on your recipe without knowing anything about the "bud" or "oil", except sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. Sounds like a hit or miss to me regardless of amount used.  A proper caregiver will be able to track your best experiences and supply you with a consistent supply of your best each time you need it.

Even after that though it may be common to experience different or varying effects depending on health, nutrition, stress, and prescription drugs used. I hear your frustrations for sure and wish you the best of luck in your search.

 

peace

 

edit;

I personally could use all of the extract of five grams of bud in one short evening. (1g ish)

My patient "cook" doses each cookie with 1/4ish gram of concentrate. One cookie is felt, three is devastating I hear.

 An ounce of frosty buds

 will yield around 5-7 grams of concentrate, enough for a batch of  30 or so cookies, but that's not a standard by no means, just

a personal preference of my patients.

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I personally could use all of the extract of five grams of bud in one short evening. (1g ish)

My patient "cook" doses each cookie with 1/4ish gram of concentrate. One cookie is felt, three is devastating I hear.

 An ounce of frosty buds

 will yield around 5-7 grams of concentrate, enough for a batch of  30 or so cookies, but that's not a standard by no means, just

a personal preference of my patients.

Now when you say "1/4ish g of concentrate", are you talking about the oil/extract? Sorry, I been confused and trying to find out if they are the same or if a concentrate was something different (like a wax - I know nothing about concentrates). If I was to do an ounce, how much oil would I use considering I've been using 1/2 cup for the 5 grams? Don't you have to make sure the oil covers the bud?

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shake= follow the link in post #5 for the "pollen shaker" sifter. The trichome heads on buds and leaves contain the active ingredients we seek. Sifting them through a screen when frozen-for best results- will break off the delicate waxy trichome heads to fall through the targeted screen size.

 

Those waxy trichome heads are delicious, smoked, vaporized, or cooked with.

They can be gently melted with solvent or heat, and further processing could result in oil, without the waxy heads. When I refer to cannabis oil I mean to say the oil extracted from these waxy trichome heads, minus the wax.

 

My cook uses the essential oil extraction of cannabis when preparing edibles. Those essential oils are the "concentrated"

trichome contents, minus the vegetable matter.

 

For safest easiest use I'd suggest doing the simple "shake" to gather the plant part with the medicine.

If you cook with it you'll be fine to add it directly into your recipe. If you do not intend to cook it with heat

ask around here for the best "decarboxylation" technique if desired. when we smoke the herb we're actually decarboxylating

then extracting the oils via heat vaporization. the rest of the smoke is junk to most, however tasty.

 

 

hope that helps

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Sorry, I been confused and trying to find out if they are the same or if a concentrate was something different (like a wax - I know nothing about concentrates).

 

A glossary might be a good thing to have on this site. I thought I'd remembered seeing one on here but it might have been a different site.

 

Concentrates are anything that separates the active ingredients from the vegetable matter. The main difference between them is the extraction method.

 

Kief is the trichome glands broken off of the leaf by a mechanical method, either dry sifted with a screen or wet with bubble bags.

 

Cannabis oil is dissolved off of the leaf with a solvent like alcohol, naptha or similar solvent. It is sometimes called "Rick Simpson Oil". This is not to be confused with an infused oil in which the active ingredients are dissolved in a fat like coconut oil or butter.

 

Shatter, wax or butane honey oil (BHO) refers to extraction with butane.

 

These are all essentially the same thing but arrived at by different methods.

 

If using bud a good starting point is 1/2 gram per serving.  5 grams = 10 doses

 

Depending on tolerance a good starting point for concentrates is 0.1 grams per dose.

 

If you're looking to make capsules try 10 grams of cannabis oil with 3 grams of coconut oil and about 22 grams of cornstarch. This should yield 100 caps.

 

Here's a link to a great method for infusing oil for medibles.

BadKat's Highly Activated & Bioavailable, Med-Grade Cannabis Oil

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Im not a big fan of keif hash, It dont seem to last long enough and I would much rather leave it on the sugar leaf's and budds for my bho extractions. I have taken most of the keefe off and tried a butane extraction is wasnt worth the time I spent,  I was going to get me one of them rolling tray/box with a screen in it to start saving a bunch of keefe, I tried just using my grinder with the keif screen in it and pressed a bunch of keif hash. now I grind up what im gonna use for the day and get me some that way, but I just use the keif to put on my oil logs ( i guess some one named it goof balls) I like to put a big glob of oil on a glass plate and mix my vaped left overs in it to give it some consistancy and than I roll it thru keif to make it so you can touch it, you can pinch off a bit and eat it or smoke it,,,,dont carry a few logs in a lil plastic tote in your pocket in the summer or you will have to start over bawhahaha, a few might remember my lil concoction from an mm get together 2 summers ago lol, I couldnt even get my darn click n vape to work, I finaly had to break down and roll a few joints, I did give some away, I dont remember if I got any f.b or not lol!  I would realy like to know how long them goof balls have been around, I never heard of it untill I made my logs!

 

g.m the other day I seen you write it taisted good and how much you liked it, so I decided to press some and while i was doing that I ate some, I dont like the texture lol and hence I didnt like that enough to not be able to taiste it lol!  I put some in my trusty glass bowl and after a few hits I had to drop some bho on it to make it alot better lmao!

 

Peace

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