Proposal Seeks Gun Permits For Colorado Cannabis Users

[trichcycler]

DENVER (AP) — Colorado was the first state to legalize recreational marijuana sales. Now the state's voters may consider a ballot measure to allow pot smokers to carry a concealed firearm.

 

 

 

 

 

The "Colorado Campaign for Equal Gun Rights" is working to put a question on the November 2016 ballot to have Colorado ignore guidelines from the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives about firearms and pot.

 

The measure would change state law to prevent sheriffs from denying concealed carry permits because of marijuana use. It's a new frontier in the marijuana wars, and one that has divided gun-rights activists.

 

"It's just ridiculous," said Edgar Antillon, one of the campaign organizers, who argues that firearms aren't kept from alcohol drinkers. "Somebody can get extremely drunk — Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and all week if they want — and they can still get a concealed carry permit."

 

He said he and his campaign partner, Isaac Chase, who run a firearm training business called "Guns For Everyone," are reaching out to gun rights groups for support, including those involved in last year's recall of two state senators who supported stricter firearm laws. Colorado organizers need more than 86,100 signatures to send the question to voters, and it's unclear whether Antillon's campaign will get enough support to launch.

 

The campaign would put Colorado again in direct conflict with federal guidelines about the drug.

 

 

In 2011, the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives sent states a directive to keep guns away from marijuana users.

 

Earlier this year, Democratic Sen. John Walsh of Montana tried to change that, suggesting an amendment to bar federal prosecution of medical marijuana patients who own firearms. The amendment failed.

 

The matter divides gun enthusiasts. The president of the Colorado State Shooting Association said his members would oppose letting pot users carry guns.

 

"Federal law prohibits the possession and use of marijuana and its derivatives, and therefore its possession and use is incompatible with legal, responsible firearms ownership," said Tony Fabian, president of the Colorado State Shooting Association.

 

The County Sheriffs of Colorado are lining up against the idea, too.

 

 

 

But it's an open debate whether marijuana-using gun owners are more dangerous than others — or even how many people lose gun rights over pot.

 

Colorado keeps no data on the question. And the Colorado Bureau of Investigation, which runs background checks for applicants and gun buyers, doesn't track how many are denied concealed carry permits because of pot. Neither does the County Sheriffs of Colorado.

 

People are asked, under oath, 14 questions on Colorado's concealed carry application, including whether the person has a restraining order, has been convicted of a felony, or has been treated for alcoholism within the past 10 years.

 

They're also asked if they're "an unlawful user of" marijuana "or any other controlled substance." The application is processed by county sheriffs.

 

The conflict has surfaced in other states that allow medical or recreational marijuana use, including Washington and Oregon.

 

In Washington state, forms for concealed weapons permits also ask if someone is an "unlawful user" of marijuana, without differentiating between state or federal law.

 

In 2012, the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal from an Oregon sheriff who had been prohibited from denying a concealed handgun license to a medical marijuana user. The decision meant the woman and other medical marijuana cardholders could obtain concealed handgun licenses.

 

Antillon, whose company provides the firearm training required for concealed carry applicants, said several students have told him they've been denied a permit because they use marijuana, either medically or recreationally. He said it's unjust that marijuana users are being "punished and can't defend their lives."

 

He argues that marijuana users can also be responsible firearm owners.

 

"It's going to be that initial battle of educating people. The challenge is people thinking that we're allowing people who are high to possess handguns," he said

[t-pain]

seems like a lame ballot question instead of removing penalties for marijuana fully, which would then make discriminatory rules like this illegal.

[t-pain]

colorado revised statute 18-18-102

(5) "Controlled substance" means a drug, substance, or immediate precursor included in schedules I through V of part 2 of this article, including cocaine, marijuana, marijuana concentrate, cathinones, any synthetic cannabinoid, and salvia divinorum.

 

(18) "Marijuana" means all parts of the plant cannabis sativa L., whether growing or not, the seeds thereof, the resin extracted from any part of the plant, and every compound, manufacture, salt, derivative, mixture, or preparation of the plant, its seeds, or its resin. It does not include fiber produced from the stalks, oil, or cake made from the seeds of the plant, or sterilized seed of the plant which is incapable of germination if these items exist apart from any other item defined as "marijuana" in this subsection (18). "Marijuana" does not include marijuana concentrate as defined in subsection (19) of this section.

 

although i dont see marijuana, cannabinoids, thc etc on the schedule 1-5 list at all.

so its a "controlled substance" but not scheduled?

 

TITLE 18. CRIMINAL CODE

ARTICLE 18. UNIFORM CONTROLLED SUBSTANCES ACT OF 1992

PART 4. OFFENSES AND PENALTIES

 

C.R.S. 18-18-406 (2014)

18-18-406. Offenses relating to marijuana and marijuana concentrate

 

(4) (a) A person who possesses more than twelve ounces of marijuana or more than three ounces of marijuana concentrate commits a level 4 drug felony.

Edited December 24, 2014 by t-pain

[GrowGoddess]

A person behind the wheel of a car can be more dangerous than a person with a firearm. They are allowed to have a driver's license yes?

 

I can't help but to believe that they just make up reasons to arrest patients. They are the government. politicians, police. A pack of matches or even a bic lighter can be more dangerous than a firearm.

 

I have never heard of anyone using marijuana and causing them to do something harmful with a firearm. I have heard of a lot of people causing much harm using alcohol.

[trichcycler]

welcome to the machine Comrades.

Edited December 24, 2014 by grassmatch

[t-pain]

colorado puts the case law into their revised statues, thats really nice.

 

but its bad that you can only read the colorado law on lexis nexis, that sucks.

[GrowGoddess]

Might not be the right place to post this but check out this video from Jesse Ventura. Down to earth, common sense. He even addresses legalizing hard core drugs, like meth, and gives the best answer that I have ever heard on how to do it in a way that I believe would offer great results. It makes sense. The video is worth the watch.

 

http://www.ora.tv/offthegrid/toke-up-obama-0_1pwq093pc723

[knucklehead bob]

welcome to the machine Comrades.

 

 

Nope . . . Pink Floyd   

 

 

Edited December 24, 2014 by knucklehead bob