Oil From Stems Lowest Yielding, Least...

[slipstar059]

Oil from stems lowest yielding, least narcotic, most expensive to make, and most sedative, of all oils made from the cannabis plant.

 

At least according to Graywolf, the head of R&D at SkunkLabPharmacueticals LLC, based in Oregon.

"Stem Oil Extraction

Stems are also blessed with trichomes, though not as many as on the buds and leaves, and they tend to be more mature that those elsewhere, thereby producing a sedative extract.

 

Stem oil isn’t all that tasty vaporized, and has little head effect, but makes a good oral sleep med and a stellar topical.

 

Unfortunately, the low yield from stems makes it the most expensive of the oils to extract, so we are looking at alternative methods. Here are some of the methods that we’ve tried:"

 

This brings to mind the question, why would anyone interested in using Cannabis recreationally put the time, money, and effort into extracting this less potent oil? Does this also bring into question the assumption that all oil is processed from the stems?

 

I believe that Graywolf has given testimony as an expert witness and if the cost of his extraction classes are any indication, he's not in this for the money.

 

He's http://skunkpharmresearch.com/stem-oil-extraction/

 

On a side note he's also recently added a doctor of pharmacy to his team, and her knowledge is available to anyone with questions. The link to her feed is on the home page.

Edited January 16, 2015 by slipstar059

[YesMichigan]

Oil from stems lowest yielding, least narcotic, most expensive to make, and most sedative, of all oils made from the cannabis plant.

 

At least according to Graywolf, the head of R&D at SkunkLabPharmacueticals LLC, based in Oregon.

"Stem Oil Extraction

Stems are also blessed with trichomes, though not as many as on the buds and leaves, and they tend to be more mature that those elsewhere, thereby producing a sedative extract.

 

Stem oil isn’t all that tasty vaporized, and has little head effect, but makes a good oral sleep med and a stellar topical.

 

Unfortunately, the low yield from stems makes it the most expensive of the oils to extract, so we are looking at alternative methods. Here are some of the methods that we’ve tried:"

 

This brings to mind the question, why would anyone interested in using Cannabis recreationally put the time, money, and effort into extracting this less potent oil? Does this also bring into question the assumption that all oil is processed from the stems?

 

I believe that Graywolf has given testimony as an expert witness and if the cost of his extraction classes are any indication, he's not in this for the money.

 

He's http://skunkpharmresearch.com/stem-oil-extraction/

 

On a side note he's also recently added a doctor of pharmacy to his team, and her knowledge is available to anyone with questions. The link to her feed is on the home page.

 

Good read.

 

To your question ", why would anyone interested in using Cannabis recreationally put the time, money, and effort into extracting this less potent oil?" They used to skim the "waste product" that was created during oil refining back in the day. They would have buckets of this watery petroleum that they would have to figure out a way to dump - of course that is what became gasoline.

 

There is no telling what humanity will learn about these oils in the coming decades when finally allowed to investigate them fully. I advocate that every cell be examined for benefit. Why would a recreational user do it? Because many is the user who had nothing but stems and dreamed of a way to smoke them. How many recreational users wouldn't try to extract something from them would be my question.

 

I think the increased sedative effect from the stems is interesting. The article led me to think there is more in the stems than previously thought, though not for a seeker of psychotropic release.

[YesMichigan]

My understanding based on the GW Pharmaceuticals cultivation white paper posted elsewhere on this site is that the sessile trichomes on the stems contain higher quantities of CBC, which could be responsible for the sedative effect. They used ice water filtration, with the sessile trichomes collecting in the 25 micron filter, creating a higher concentration of CBC in the end product. I do know one patient that uses small chunks of 25 micron hash (about 1/4 gram) each night to deal with painful leg cramping and spasms, and no longer takes Ambien.

 

That's awesome. To be able to relieve pain and aid in sleeping. What doctor wouldn't want a homeopathic 2 for 1 prescription?

 

Nothing wasted from the Tree of Life.

[zachw]

That's awesome. To be able to relieve pain and aid in sleeping. What doctor wouldn't want a homeopathic 2 for 1 prescription?

 

Nothing wasted from the Tree of Life.

 

Ain't nothing homeopathic about it...

[YesMichigan]

Ain't nothing homeopathic about it...

 

A homeopathic health practitioner (homeopath) uses pills or liquid mixtures (solutions) containing only a little of an active ingredient (usually a plant or mineral) for treatment of disease. These are known as highly diluted or "potentiated" substances. There is some evidence to show that homeopathic medicines may have helpful effects.   http://www.webmd.com/balance/guide/homeopathy-topic-overview

 

Now if we want to say it doesn't follow true homeopathy because it isn't "like curing like" I agree and I apologize for my poor word choice.

 

When I think of homeopathic remedies I think "GSK or Pfizer didn't make a dime off of this cure." You are correct though, it is that the research has been relegated to the dark corners that I have this view of it. Thank you.

[slipstar059]

No Homeo doe!!!????

[pic book]

They used ice water filtration with the sessile trichomes collecting in the 25 micron filter, creating a higher concentration of CBC in the end product. I do know one patient that uses small chunks of 25 micron hash (about 1/4 gram) each night to deal with painful leg cramping and spasms, and no longer takes Ambien.

that stems may work for restless legs is great news.  i, and millions of others, take ropinirol which is generic for requip, for leg cramps.  there is no other script for leg spasms, and i'm unaware of any strain that is effective.  but behold, the lowly stem!

[trichcycler]

I firmly believe we will never identify a "strain" that provides relief of a symptom for all people.  Some folks can puff what relieves me and flip out, or go to sleep , or experience anxiety, or maybe a cessation of leg pain too.  Like prescription hormones/acids are effective only in a portion of users, who all will experience different effects, desired, or undesired. The trichomes on a stalk may be effective medicine for some, maybe depending on personal chemotype, grow habits, water quality, nutrient supply, air quality, soil, temperatures, etc. A different light will can express different medicinal qualities. Some grow their stain with cfl's, some mh, some led, and some sunlight. Each will be a different expression, and most likely none will be equal. A bud from the right side of the plant is not the the same as the bud on the right side possibly for thought. 

[weedwacker1]

Just thought I would share the test results from a batch of stalk oil I ran a few months ago.......... Notice the high levels of CBN along with CBC, along with a lower level of THC............... We are still working with this oil, but have found it great for use in topicals and some patients use for a multitude of ailments.  Some patients report a feeling of alertness, not able to sleep, but most have the opposite effect.......... Yes the yield is low, but there needs to be more research on this.

[trichcycler]

method of extraction?

cost of extraction?

weight of material to be xtracted from?

final yield?

 

taste?

 

nice work, thank you!

[zachw]

A homeopathic health practitioner (homeopath) uses pills or liquid mixtures (solutions) containing only a little of an active ingredient (usually a plant or mineral) for treatment of disease. These are known as highly diluted or "potentiated" substances. There is some evidence to show that homeopathic medicines may have helpful effects.   http://www.webmd.com/balance/guide/homeopathy-topic-overview

 

Now if we want to say it doesn't follow true homeopathy because it isn't "like curing like" I agree and I apologize for my poor word choice.

 

When I think of homeopathic remedies I think "GSK or Pfizer didn't make a dime off of this cure." You are correct though, it is that the research has been relegated to the dark corners that I have this view of it. Thank you.

 

No, it's not homeopathic because of the "like curing like" "principle. It's not homeopathic because homeopathic "remedies" have zero amount of the supposed active substance due to repeated dilutions. They are placebos with zero evidence of efficacy in double blind studies, plain and simple. (Your webmd article made no claims to the contrary.)

 

Cannabis is not homeopathic simply because therapeutic amounts of specific cannabinoids, terpenes, & other substances are being taken in. Rather than infinitesimal amounts of substances that have no medical value according to any modern scientific theory of disease.

Edited January 20, 2015 by zachw

[YesMichigan]

No, it's not homeopathic because of the "like curing like" "principle. It's not homeopathic because homeopathic "remedies" have zero amount of the supposed active substance due to repeated dilutions. They are placebos with zero evidence of efficacy in double blind studies, plain and simple. (Your webmd article made no claims to the contrary.)

 

Cannabis is not homeopathic simply because therapeutic amounts of specific cannabinoids, terpenes, & other substances are being taken in. Rather than infinitesimal amounts of substances that have no medical value according to any modern scientific theory of disease.

 

Thank you. Eloquent and to the point.

 

Elaborate further if are willing, please. I love the case you make.

[Restorium2]

I trim at 4 weeks flower so that the branches that can't get good direct light are not sapping the rest of the plant. There are small buds by then. You can take all that you trimmed and extract it. You will get the same type of extract that they got from stems. It's a free byproduct if you have a use for it. If you winterize and filter it good you get decent oil but in very small quantities. 

[zachw]

Thank you. Eloquent and to the point.

 

Elaborate further if are willing, please. I love the case you make.

 

At least regarding homeopathy, my suggestion would be to start with googling: ben goldacre homeopathy. Here is one of his articles from a number of years back that I recommend. 

[weedwacker1]

Grassmatch,

 

The method used is a 99.5% Isoproponal rinse, rinse 5-6 times. We start by cutting the stems into 3"-4" pieces, and I wont do a run unless I have 2, 5 gallon buckets ready to go... Cost is $30.00 a gallon for Iso. and I will use about 1 1//2 gallons here, of which I will get most of the Iso back when Iso/oil mix is reduced in the Isomizer, you loose some Iso in the stems, but Ill get back about 80% of the Iso. The Iso/oil mix is then filtered using a vacume flask with a ceramic funnel and activated carbon to remove the non polar substances, waxes, chlorophyll and any other unwanted compounds. From those 2 buckets I will get from 10 to 12 grams of oil after the final purge of Iso.... The taste of the oil is a little bit different than the regular oil that we make, seems like the terpenes are not quite as abundant as in the regular oil.

[cristinew]

we had our stem  oil tested  4 years ago  and it does  seem to have different ratios  than the buds or leaves of the very same plant,  that stuff works well also,  

[trichcycler]

I should have known something was up. My bunnies quickly began growing their hair and nails longer, seems all they wanted to do was hang around the shanty with mama

and put a good fuzz on.

[weedwacker1]

Grassmatch,

 

  That's some FUNNY bunny muffin RUGHT THERE.......................

[Restorium2]

Did the bunnies decarb or did they just bunny muffin it out?? 

[trichcycler]

straight up green fresh harvest. They'd let the dried decarb'd  stuff sit forever, strangely.

Edited January 22, 2015 by grassmatch