Do You Advocate Jail Time For Possession Or Use Of...

[YesMichigan]

Where would you draw the line?

 

What types of drugs should a person have to sit in "timeout" for ingesting or possessing?

 

Do you think incarceration decreases drug use?

 

I ask you to remove trafficking and the other activities that lead to prosecution from consideration as these activities are the result of most drugs being illegal. I also ask you to remove people being jailed for intoxication while driving, domestic violence with drugs being a contributing factor and theft to acquire more drugs. I exclude these activities because I see them as laws of a decent society to ensure we don't harm our fellow citizens.

[Kingdiamond]

No and locking up sick people or casual users doesn't do anything but make it worse.

[Chauncy Gardner]

History has shown that locking people up for drug use is a non-deterrent. We have been putting people away for 40 years and what is the result? Drug use has increased.

 

We need to realize that doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is an indication of insanity.

 

Stop the insanity.

[YesMichigan]

History has shown that locking people up for drug use is a non-deterrent. We have been putting people away for 40 years and what is the result? Drug use has increased.

 

We need to realize that doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result is an indication of insanity.

 

Stop the insanity.

 

So heroine, cocaine, MDMA and the rest would be legalized if you had fiat power to control National Drug Policy?

[bobandtorey]

Where would you draw the line?

 

What types of drugs should a person have to sit in "timeout" for ingesting or possessing?

 

Do you think incarceration decreases drug use?

 

I ask you to remove trafficking and the other activities that lead to prosecution from consideration as these activities are the result of most drugs being illegal. I also ask you to remove people being jailed for intoxication while driving, domestic violence with drugs being a contributing factor and theft to acquire more drugs. I exclude these activities because I see them as laws of a decent society to ensure we don't harm our fellow citizens.

You are asking a Big one    but for this one >>   Do you think incarceration decreases drug use? No

[bobandtorey]

So heroine, cocaine, MDMA and the rest would be legalized if you had fiat power to control National Drug Policy?

I do believe that Heroine and some kind of cocaine is legal from a Doctor 

[Kingdiamond]

I believe that we would be better off if drug use was a social problem and not a legal one the user already has a drug problem is adding a legal problem to their woes really going to  help the person get better?

[YesMichigan]

You are asking a Big one    but for this one >>   Do you think incarceration decreases drug use? No

 

Do you favor incarceration for drug use and possession? It seems if the intent isn't to decrease drug use then punishment is just the proverbial "Pound of flesh". Akin to smearing a dog's nose in the urine soiled carpet.

 

I do believe that Heroine and some kind of cocaine is legal from a Doctor 

 

Use and possession of these drugs without doctor prescription. Of course any use of Schedule II or less with a prescription is not a violation of Federal law today. Good catch you pedantic so-and-so...hehe...

[YesMichigan]

I believe that we would be better off if drug use was a social problem and not a legal one the user already has a drug problem is adding a legal problem to their woes really going to  help the person get better?

 

I calculate all of the money spent on interdiction, prosecution and detention and just think you could build one hell of a Club Med in South Dakota with that cash and hook up every "junkie" that wants to live their life that way. No need to steal or kill for drugs. The stuff isn't worth more than table salt. Provide treatment so if people want out they can get out and you'll help them. Spend the money assisting instead of trying to crush lives and we might be surprised how few really want to be strung out on crack. Those that do? It's not like we stop the guy from flying down the mountain in his "flying wing suit" that's how he gets high and he has nearly died a few times from it - I support him 100%.

 

Don't hurt other people and I figure it isn't up to me to tell you what to do. That notion makes me feel like another kind of 1% most days.

 

To the bold brilliance of your comment? Think of how many people will say "Yes". Watch "Jail" or "Cops" and listen to LEO talking about how "hopefully this helps them get turned around..."

[trichcycler]

heroin is not prescribed in our country. I bet it cant be patented. synthesized perhaps, methadone comes to mind, is patented

[trichcycler]

cocaine is no longer prescribed to the best of my knowledge, however it is prepared for opthamology offices/surgery.  One company in the country has dea permission to import/export tons of coca leaves for their process of soda manufacturing. Parke Davis in Detroit was the first syndicated drug advertisement placed and the full page ad was split between direct ads to consumers of half heroin to rest at night, and the other half of the ad page was cocaine, for waking up of course, and going back to work! the accompanying comic strip was funny too. kudos if anyone can find that ad...

[Norby]

Where would you draw the line?

 

What types of drugs should a person have to sit in "timeout" for ingesting or possessing?

 

Do you think incarceration decreases drug use?

 

I ask you to remove trafficking and the other activities that lead to prosecution from consideration as these activities are the result of most drugs being illegal. I also ask you to remove people being jailed for intoxication while driving, domestic violence with drugs being a contributing factor and theft to acquire more drugs. I exclude these activities because I see them as laws of a decent society to ensure we don't harm our fellow citizens.

Did they do anything other than ingest a drug?

[YesMichigan]

Did they do anything other than ingest a drug?

 

They did not.

 

They might have it in their possession and not ingested it also.

 

This person has committed no other crime if they are allowed to acquire and consume it legally (just like drinking some beers on a Saturday or Wednesday night).

[Kingdiamond]

Did they do anything other than ingest a drug?

The real violence occurs at the trafficking level target the seller and not the user  or better yet regulate drugs and take the taboo factor out of getting high on hard drugs..

[GregS]

You're serious??? Here???

Edited January 20, 2015 by GregS

[Norby]

The Gov't is the root of all problems.  They open trade so our workers have to compete with 3rd world pay.  They make drugs illegal and profit off of their own citizens while jailing more than any country in the world.  The cartels are a direct result of their policy.  They send food to other countries to drive their farmers out of work and destabilize their societies.  They write laws that make corporations have rights and votes.  They print money because the rich already got all the money out there and by watering down our money is the only way everything still works or we would've rioted years ago.  Welfare instead of jobs programs(CCC).  Unemployment to fix the problems the rich created.  And to "ward off problems" they want to put you in jail for posessing a drug or using it to escape the reality of what our gov't and a few rich people have created?  I say F U C K them.  I have always been an advocate of getting rid of ALL drug laws because we already have laws for people who act out of control on drugs.  Why worry about the drugs, it's all about the behavior.

 

If you want to stop or curtail drug use, like, really solve the drug problem?  Get rid of big pharma and start training drs. about eating right, eating real food and asking their patients to make a food log.  Stop allowing countries that work for $1 a day to compete in our markets.  Train people and create REAL OPPORTUNITIES, McDonalds IS NOT an opportunity.  Industries used to mentor and train when they didn't have to compete against other economies, now we have to pay to learn skills and hope there is a job there for you. When you make things cheaper, you make pay for work less until no one can afford anything other than the basics. Give everyone a dignified place in society and a brite outlook and put all the money you sepnd on incarceration, policing, etc. to mental health.  Let the police go after ivory smuggling, rapists, pediphiles, and corrupt politicians, bankers and wall st. 

 

That will do more than the war on drugs has ever done.  And if we slowed technology down so that people weren't becoming obsolete 3 or 4 times over their lifetime it would probably increase societal stability and decrease drug use also.  Give people a society they don't want to escape and less people will try and escape it. 

Edited January 20, 2015 by Norby

[Kingdiamond]

You're serious??? Here???

If that was meant for me let me clarify attack the cartels not the user the drug war is never going to end at the very least leave the non violent user out of the equation.

[GregS]

If that was meant for me let me clarify attack the cartels not the user the drug war is never going to end at the very least leave the non violent user out of the equation.

It was in response to the OP. Sorry about the confusion.

[YesMichigan]

It was in response to the OP. Sorry about the confusion.

 

You're serious??? Here???

 

Oh, me? Yes, I'm serious. Always serious, even when I'm joking I'm serious about joking.

 

Now I've answered your question. Would you rather not answer mine or are have I broken a protocol standard that I am not aware of? My apologies if I did.

[GregS]

Oh, me? Yes, I'm serious. Always serious, even when I'm joking I'm serious about joking.

 

Now I've answered your question. Would you rather not answer mine or are have I broken a protocol standard that I am not aware of? My apologies if I did.

Please don't apologize. That, rather than prohibitive protocols, is prohibited here.

 

My short answer is that all drug issues would be better administered as a health, rather than criminal, issue.

[GregS]

The Gov't is the root of all problems.  They open trade so our workers have to compete with 3rd world pay.  They make drugs illegal and profit off of their own citizens while jailing more than any country in the world.  The cartels are a direct result of their policy.  They send food to other countries to drive their farmers out of work and destabilize their societies.  They write laws that make corporations have rights and votes.  They print money because the rich already got all the money out there and by watering down our money is the only way everything still works or we would've rioted years ago.  Welfare instead of jobs programs(CCC).  Unemployment to fix the problems the rich created.  And to "ward off problems" they want to put you in jail for posessing a drug or using it to escape the reality of what our gov't and a few rich people have created?  I say F U C K them.  I have always been an advocate of getting rid of ALL drug laws because we already have laws for people who act out of control on drugs.  Why worry about the drugs, it's all about the behavior.

 

If you want to stop or curtail drug use, like, really solve the drug problem?  Get rid of big pharma and start training drs. about eating right, eating real food and asking their patients to make a food log.  Stop allowing countries that work for $1 a day to compete in our markets.  Train people and create REAL OPPORTUNITIES, McDonalds IS NOT an opportunity.  Industries used to mentor and train when they didn't have to compete against other economies, now we have to pay to learn skills and hope there is a job there for you. When you make things cheaper, you make pay for work less until no one can afford anything other than the basics. Give everyone a dignified place in society and a brite outlook and put all the money you sepnd on incarceration, policing, etc. to mental health.  Let the police go after ivory smuggling, rapists, pediphiles, and corrupt politicians, bankers and wall st. 

 

That will do more than the war on drugs has ever done.  And if we slowed technology down so that people weren't becoming obsolete 3 or 4 times over their lifetime it would probably increase societal stability and decrease drug use also.  Give people a society they don't want to escape and less people will try and escape it. 

Norby.

 

The people in the government are not bright enough to handle these issues and so cannot be held responsible. We, the electorate, see to that.

[YesMichigan]

Please don't apologize. That, rather than prohibitive protocols, is prohibited here.

 

My short answer is that all drug issues would be better administered as a health, rather than criminal, issue.

 

I honestly thought there was a forum rule I might have violated. You have over 5k posts so if anyone would know I figured it would be you. Apology rescinded. Happy?

 

I don't know, I think a vast majority of people don't bat an eyelash when they hear someone got sentenced to 10 years in State Prison for possession of methamphetamine. They think "human garbage I hope they rot."

 

I think "That's a human who didn't hurt anyone." You obviously think like me but I think we are a minority even within the minority. Candidates using our logic as a platform are seen as "loons".

 

How do you think each elected official in Lansing would answer these very serious questions?

[GregS]

I honestly thought there was a forum rule I might have violated. You have over 5k posts so if anyone would know I figured it would be you. Apology rescinded. Happy?

 

I don't know, I think a vast majority of people don't bat an eyelash when they hear someone got sentenced to 10 years in State Prison for possession of methamphetamine. They think "human garbage I hope they rot."

 

I think "That's a human who didn't hurt anyone." You obviously think like me but I think we are a minority even within the minority. Candidates using our logic as a platform are seen as "loons".

 

How do you think each elected official in Lansing would answer these very serious questions?

Dunno. But I can answer for how I would. More than occasional contact with legislative committee members and my own Representative and Senator is my preferred method, preferably by hard copy or fax. It is always a pleasure to see how much time I can waste with staffers or, if I'm lucky, the officer him/herself when I phone in.

 

Whether or not I'm happy is inconsequential at this point in the conversation. Facts are what matter. And watching O'Reilly is great for purposes of staying close to the enemy, but wearing it on my sleeve is bad form.

Edited January 20, 2015 by GregS

[YesMichigan]

Dunno. But I can answer for how I would. More than occasional contact with legislative committee members and my own Representative and Senator is my preferred method, preferably by hard copy or fax. It is always a pleasure to see how much time I can waste with staffers or, if I'm lucky, the officer his/herself when I phone in.

 

Whether or not I'm happy is inconsequential at this point in the conversation. Facts are what matter. And watching O'Reilly is great for purposes of staying close to the enemy, but wearing it on my sleeve is bad form.

 

I asked it about the apology. Tongue in cheek and all that, because I understood what you were saying. This universe exists just for you as it does for each of us. Your happiness is sincerely more important to me than any Prohibitionist's.

 

Facts don't matter - if they did we wouldn't be where we are. Money, deceit and silver bracelets are what matter if you ask this innocent primate.

[GregS]

"Facts don't matter"

 

That, my friend, is where we depart agreement. Your points are taken, but call me old fashioned. I find that staying insistently with them is becoming to a moral outcome. It is when they are given up too easily or lazily that they don't matter.

Edited January 20, 2015 by GregS