Hey folks...looking for an opinion on the best way to extract from trim, or even whole bud. I've been growing for 40 yrs, fairly steadily, and got that part down to perfection. Have used bubble bags for decades (working on the 3rd set) and get AAA quality bubble that's always spoken for long before its even produced. Also have made up several dozen large batches of budder with good results.
Have NOT ever experimented with any other ways of extracting concentrates with solvents at all, and wonder if that could be a better way to get the best and most from say....a couple lbs of trim or bud?
Not interested in hiring an extraction company to have it done for a price...this has to be 100% my own project and equipment, and truthfully...am very happy with the bubble bags yield and quality, but am wondering if using a solvent method would yield more end product? There are a few new "buzzwords" for extracts and methods, so wonder if maybe any new super productive methods may be more productive and potent.
Solvents always scared me a little so stayed away from them. Danger of fire, and harmfull vapors and fumes seemed like more hassle than I wanted to undertake, but if some new extraction method is head and shoulders above making bubble hash as far as yield or potency, may give it a try. Have sorta checked out Shatter, BHO, and Simpson Oil methods, but not in depth, and wonder if its going to be worth the extra effort, and changing to a new method.
I will offer my two cents!
I notice you mention quality (potency) and quantity. That is kind of irrelevant without knowing more details. What is it you want the product (concentrate or oil) for? What would the purpose be? Profit, novelty, medicine, recreation? Those questions must be answered first to be able to properly answer your question.
I have not tried or made all of the different types of oils or concentrates, but I have pretty much made and tried every type of alcohol extraction. I haven't been growing for 40 years, but do have more than 15 straight years of experience in growing and 5 of those years of experience in making concentrates. My first goal was potency, I had to try it for myself to believe it. After watching Run From the Cure, I decided to give it a try and make the best oil I could with the best product I had. As far as I am concerned, it exceeded what the people in the video were saying in regards to potency. Although, Rick was using outdoor grown buds, I only used top shelf, organically grown, indoor garden buds which were very well manicured. I found that eating or ingesting oil is way more efficient than smoking or vaping buds or oil or dabs. Most people just want only a 2-4 hour buzz, for relief. Following the RSO method, my end product provided about 6-8 hours of feeling medicated. Switching to half naturally decarbed oil, that provided a medicated feeling for up to 24 hours. Now that I don't use any heat in my process, minimal filtering, no winterizing, and 100% organic (utilizing 200 proof organic ethanol as a solvent) I call it ND Sap or naturally decarbed sap, now it can provide 48-72 hour medicated effects. All were the same size dose, about a rice grain size dose, with the exception of the last type of oil (ND sap), where the doses have been smaller. Also, the doses have been taken either every day or at least every other day to produce these effects. Just taking a single dose for the first time, it would probably require more to get the same or similar effects. Myself and one of my other patients have both had the same experience with the different oils.
When it comes to medicinal use, you will not get the full effects from bubble hash. You will be missing one of the best, most important ingredients, which I believe is at least comparable to THC and CBD. There are at least 133 known terpenes in cannabis and with a cold water extraction, you will not be extracting the terpenes, at least not the majority of them. Alcohol does extract the terpenes as well as additional elements. Alcohol doesn't extract a lot of the additional unwanted elements if done correctly. It will also extract the THC and CBDs. Isn't that a good thing? You can get all three medicines with one solvent, alcohol. I highly recommend 200 proof organic ethanol (KleenXtract). Yes, it is only safe to use the product after the alcohol has been fully evaporated or purged. I like to keep my final product in a diluted state. After I purge off the 200 proof alcohol, I will add a touch of 192 proof polish vodka so dosing with a dropper can be utilized. I am getting three of the most important medicines my grow room can provide, terpenes, THC, and CBD. There are at least 66 known CBDs. The terpenes, which I have personally seen them work better than any other medicine for certain issues, such as scrapes, cuts, and tooth pain, there is great potential for so much more. I also believe they assist the THC in passing the blood brain barrier, not 100% sure of that, but just what I believe from what I have experienced. They also have a strong mental spiritual influence. I and a few others that have tried it would agree.
If you are looking for medicine, the best medicine you can make, I would consider the simplicity of making naturally decarbed sap. It has it all and doesn't require very many tools. It is quite safe to make using the organic alcohol. There are less fumes and you don't have to make a large quantity all at once. The efficiency cannot be beat. I like my QWISO, e-cannabis, QWET, and RSO. I have tried them all on a rolling paper too for recreational use. I must say though, the ND Sap extracted with KleenXtract coated on a paper, is the best I have tried yet. It offered the best kick, and gave serious expando too and a buzz to back it up.
I have this half smoked right now! Coated as mentioned above.
I coated this joint due to some leakage that occurred during a natural decarbing process. The CO2 pressure builds up during natural decarbing and causes the concentrate to want to leak or foam over like a shaken soda can. It can take up to 100 days for the natural decarb to occur. Sometimes more, sometimes less. I have not nailed that down yet, but there is no going back to a heat decarbed oil. Yes, I get a reduced yield, not sure why, but I really don't care. The quality, potency, and medicinal properties outweigh the yield and actually seeing the difference is priceless. I haven't tried using it to make e-cannabis oil or vaping it straight yet. However, when it comes to eating the oil, I have not come across anything yet that compares. Looks are not everything that's for sure. Some of my worse looking ND Sap was actually my best in potency and quality. You can only judge it by experiencing it, especially combating illness.
Top Notch RSO. Yes, it is novel looking, but that doesn't mean anything for medicinal aspects. Some of the darker oils I have made are just as good if not better. When it comes to vaporizing it, the looks do matter in respect to the taste while vaping.
Basic QWISO, great for vaping, medicinally speaking, it provides minor pain, mental, and stress relief.
QWET fully organic
My favorite for medicinal use, ND Sap. This batch was made only using Querkle buds.
The oil that leaked from the vials which was used in the joint mentioned above.
Querkle is my favorite oil making strain. I have a space queen dominant pheno of it. It has provided great results for making oil whether I am using 99% iso, 190 proof grain alcohol, or 200 proof organic grain alcohol. The oil in those vials should be finished in a couple of weeks. I will update my blogs what it is finished. It does amaze me how much CO2 is released during the natural decarbing process.