Sen Jones Wants To Decrim Mip (Alcohol)

[t-pain]

http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/index.ssf/2015/05/minor_in_possession_would_move.html

 

http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?2015-SB-0332

 

Senate Bill 332 would retain the fines but eliminate the threat of jail time or a permanent criminal record. An initial civil infraction could cost up to $100, and a second violation could lead to a fine of up to $200.

 

urge your senators to sign onto this one.

Edited May 20, 2015 by t-pain

[Willy]

screw jones and his bill.. i see the good side, but its just a slap in the face to mmj/rec  save the children, just booze em up .. now is that anyway to save children,, I think not,, warped mofo that he is...

[trichcycler]

*undecided*

[beourbud]

I hear they nicknamed this the Rave Bill,  enabling and encouraging underage alcohol consumption.

 

That's right, we dont have enough problems with underage drinking.  We need to spend time and resources to encourage and increase the carnage and destruction it brings to family of the victims of alcohol.

 

Everyone of us has been touched in some way by Alcohol Induced violence, auto accidents, Deaths, Rape

 

This bill is simply Wrong Headed

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[trichcycler]

yep, who among us didn't drink while underage?

 

Yep, screw those brats ! Slam them with a permanent record that affects everything in their life from future employment, job opportunities, education opportunities, law enforcement contact, insurance premiums, and more. "Fukkem" might not be the best answer?

Did someone here suggest we legalize the behavior?

[+Malamute]

Making MIP a civil issue is the absolute right way to go.

 

 Same for every single drug issue. 

[beourbud]

yep, who among us didn't drink while underage?

 

Yep, screw those brats ! Slam them with a permanent record that affects everything in their life from future employment, job opportunities, education opportunities, law enforcement contact, insurance premiums, and more. "Fukkem" might not be the best answer?

Did someone here suggest we legalize the behavior?

That doesnt sound "undecided" to me.

 

Alcohol Is the Gateway Drug.

 

Fortunately there are many reasonable and responsible young adults abstaining from activities that might hinder their futures.  

 

This bill is a band aid on a bullet hole.

Edited May 20, 2015 by beourbud

[trichcycler]

ah, you must have missed the question marks at the end of my sentences? They look like this:  ?

Edited May 20, 2015 by grassmatch

[trichcycler]

A careful examination of both sides of any issue may be a good way to arrive at the best conclusion no?

Mal is smarter in the ways of the politico, perhaps you should question his reasons for believing it best to make MIP a civil infraction instead of a misdemeanor. I bet he'd be glad to share his reason, and I would love to hear them too.

[+Malamute]

 

 

Alcohol Is the Gateway Drug.

 

Fortunately there are many reasonable and responsible young adults abstaining from activities that might hinder their futures.  

 

This bill is a band aid on a bullet hole.

 

 

 Gateway drug?  Ok Nancy Reagan...

 

Fortunately there are many reasonable and responsible young adults that do not abstain from activities, and finally we are not going to ruin their future over it. 

 

I always just love listening to people that use drugs whining about people using drugs and thinking jail is the answer...

 

That is the exact reasoning that puts 800,000 marijuana users a year into police custody.

 

Stop the madness.

 

End the drug war.

 

(Which means no criminal penalties for personal use)

[trichcycler]

Hear? Hear !^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[beourbud]

Jail is Not the Answer 

 

"using drugs"  You mean Medical Marijuana?

 

All "drugs " are not the same

 

Cannabis has been a Medicine for thousands of years.

 

Alcohol has destroyed lives and familys for just as long.

 

Jail is never where we want our youth.  

 

We need to resolve the issues that create their addiction.

[+Malamute]

Alcohol has been amedicine for thousands of years.....

 

Your point?

 

Your prejudice?

[beourbud]

No criminal penalties for personal use.

 

Sign Me Up!

 

The data is overwhelming   Alcohol has too many ill effects on society but especially our youth.

 

Cannabis...not so much.  Actually the negatives on the cannabis side are from the prohibition of it or War on Drugs

 

Cannabis and Alcohol are unfairly compared way to often.  Alcohol is much more dangerous 

Edited May 20, 2015 by beourbud

[GregS]

Breast milk is the gateway drug.

[+Malamute]

Breast milk is the gateway drug.

 

 I have said that for years Greg....

[GregS]

All drug policy should be administered by the health professions rather than the Criminal Justice System.

[beourbud]

All drug policy should be administered by the health professions rather than the Criminal Justice System.

 

Agree,    

[beourbud]

Alcohol has been amedicine for thousands of years.....

 

Your point?

 

Your prejudice?

You mean alcohol has been in medicine for a long time.

 

Prejudice,  No just seen to many kids scraped off dashboards and pavement.  Alcohol Poisoning can and does Kill

[+Malamute]

 

 

Prejudice,  No just seen to many kids scraped off dashboards and pavement.  Alcohol Poisoning can and does Kill

 

 

 

So does aspirin and peanuts.

 

Drinking is different than operating a vehicle impaired.

[beourbud]

So does aspirin and peanuts.

 

Drinking is different than operating a vehicle impaired.

Yeah,  havent seen to many asprin or peanuts ,  lots and lots of bottles and cans though.

 

Dunno,,,,I hate that  anyone have to go to jail, but some seem hell bent to get themselves there.

 

Dont think we or this bill can fix stupid.

 

Have i made mistakes when i was young...hell yes

 

I'd like to think my experience might help other youth from making the same mistake.  Maybe wisful thinking

 

We all in this together.

[suneday11]

I like the idea behind this. $100 is a little weak as deterrent. It is mildly hypocritical of jones, but also understandable. Jails are for bad people, not for dumb good people.

[+Malamute]

 During 2010–2012, an annual average of 2,221 alcohol poisoning deaths

 

 

A total of 16,500 patients with rheumatoid arthritis or osteoarthritis died from the gastrointestinal toxic effects of NSAIDs(Aspirin, Ibuprofen, Naproxen..)

 

[Willy]

I concur on the deaths by NSAIDs, my sister in laws daughter had terrible headaches, she took tylenol for her pain, it certainly killed her.... so yes NSAIDS kill every day.. 

Edited May 20, 2015 by Willy

[Kingdiamond]

No to cannabis but its ok to perforate your Liver with alcohol screw this hypocrite!