New Caregiver Background Check

[rindalorinda]

I think this new back ground check I am required to pay for, for every patient is redundant and wasteful. Are they serious? Is there something we can do? Someone to write to in an effort to fight this? Not to mention I conduct ICHATS daily at work. We only pay $10.00 for them.

Why the need for a $25.00 ($10.00) background check for every new patient?

 

Thank you

Edited July 15, 2015 by rindalorinda

[t-pain]

call or write a letter to LARA and ask them to lower the background check fee

[rindalorinda]

Ok so I have a patient renewing. Do I have to send in another $25.00 background fee. I can't find nothing on LARA's website in regards to this!

[t-pain]

i think so yes, but call lara and ask.

[ozzrokk]

The background check has always been there just now caregivers have to pay for their own. Why do they overcharge? Hard to say but probably the same reason they overcharge for the card. So they can get a surplus and use it against us. Every time you are assigned or renewed as a patients caregiver the background check fee must be paid. I agree with T. they should be asked to lower the fee to what it actually costs.

[Willy]

I think its just to make more money period.. any way to hurt , hinder, or force us out. 

[GregS]

Screw that. Where is it said in the law that there are any conditions that prohibit a caregiver from selling to any patient, with the exception of a minor?

[t-pain]

its not wise to go against mich supreme court rulings though, gregs.

[GregS]

its not wise to go against mich supreme court rulings though, gregs.

What court ruling are you talking about? If you mean McQueen, it only addresses sales between connected registrants and is not a criminal ruling but a civil action. Tut/Wick laid out what is necessary to approach the AD that can be used by anyone in any criminal defense pertaining to the medical use of marijuana.

 

If you don't want added protection then fine. Some of us see value in taking smart and inexpensive steps to protect ourselves beyond registration. Those who were registered and sold only to their connected patients and arrested and dragged through the grinder that is the courts, and we know that in many cases registered and compliant individuals were, may well wish they had.

 

Above all else, don't tell anyone anything they don't need to know.

[GregS]

...and the McQueen ruling states that patients cannot sell to other patients. What we are talking about is caregivers selling to patients, exactly what the law protects.

[t-pain]

then what does this mean from the appendix?

(4) As a result, § 4 does not offer immunity to a registered qualifying patient who

transfers marijuana to another registered qualifying patient, nor does it offer immunity to

a registered primary caregiver who transfers marijuana to anyone other than a registered

qualifying patient to whom the caregiver is connected through the MDCH’s registration

process.

 

 

are you saying tut/wick ovverides mcqueen? i think we've had this discussion before, i just forgot everything about it.

[Dalbert]

Back on Topic, I need to renew my card. It doesn't say my CG needs to pay the $25.00, just that it has to be paid. It also doesn't say if the card will still be good for 2 years like it was last time I renewed. But last time, I believe it was $100.00. That was also a renew for me, I had a waiver with my first card since I am on SSDI. But they no longer offer the discount. I told my CG that I would cover his $25 CG Fee because he takes really good care of me but it's pretty much a rip-off from the state. If a CG has 1 patient or 5 (still the max?) it still costs the same? I mean, do they have to run a background check 5 times for the same person? Just doesn't make sense. But that's the inefficient state of Michigan for you. Maybe they can use the profits to

fix the freakin' roads?   : )

[t-pain]

they have to do a bg check every time, what if he got a felony between his last patient sign up and you signing up?

[GregS]

then what does this mean from the appendix?

(4) As a result, § 4 does not offer immunity to a registered qualifying patient who

transfers marijuana to another registered qualifying patient, nor does it offer immunity to

a registered primary caregiver who transfers marijuana to anyone other than a registered

qualifying patient to whom the caregiver is connected through the MDCH’s registration

process.

 

 

are you saying tut/wick ovverides mcqueen? i think we've had this discussion before, i just forgot everything about it.

Sec. 4 and sec. 8 are two entirely different animals. Sec. 4, which was addressed in McQueen, provides immunity from arrest and prosectution until the police and the courts decide to fuk with you. It is then that you have only sec. 8 to fall back on, which was ruled on in Tut/Wick, and it protects you from conviction if you can bring a successful sec. 8 defense if you are an unregistered caregiver and not connected through the registry with a qualifying patient.

Edited November 11, 2015 by GregS

[Wild Bill]

What most seem to fail to realize is that you are dealing with gangsters.  Regardless of what they say they only want your money.

 

Think of it as being a small business paying protection money to the local Don. You pay him what he asks when he asks and you'll be "protected" from his boys.

 

[phaquetoo]

Ok so I have a patient renewing. Do I have to send in another $25.00 background fee. I can't find nothing on LARA's website in regards to this!

I sent in my renewell today, I noticed on the top right corner that it said $60 for a pt with plant rights and $85 for a pt with c.g who possesses  plants!

 

I called lara before sending the app, check, etc, and they confirmed as of jan 2015 every time you renew your pt status and have a c.g it is 85 bucks, I questioned it, and questioned it, I was told if I was doing my renewell and keeping the same c.g It cost 85 bucks!

 

It is an amendment to our law or what ever you want to call it, I never had to pay for the c.g when renewing before, I almost sent them only 60 bucks, I am glad I called them, It used to cost us 100 bucks for one yr, well at least 60 for a pt for 2 yrs is a better deal!  I just wrote the personal check for 85 bucks and hopefully it will go smooth like it has the last few times!

 

Peace and dont forget to pay for your c.g when you renew!

[suneday11]

Thanks for the update, phaq. I called the other day as well. I wasn't sure if the fees needed to be paid via separate checks. They do NOT.

 

This effing thing changes every time I have a renewal.

[GregS]

Ya know, this does not require a government mandated background check.

 

http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/blog/584/entry-1163-added-evidentiary-protection-with-or-without-registration/

[rindalorinda]

Thanks everyone!

[Dalbert]

I sent in my renewell today, I noticed on the top right corner that it said $60 for a pt with plant rights and $85 for a pt with c.g who possesses  plants!

 

I called lara before sending the app, check, etc, and they confirmed as of jan 2015 every time you renew your pt status and have a c.g it is 85 bucks, I questioned it, and questioned it, I was told if I was doing my renewell and keeping the same c.g It cost 85 bucks!

 

It is an amendment to our law or what ever you want to call it, I never had to pay for the c.g when renewing before, I almost sent them only 60 bucks, I am glad I called them, It used to cost us 100 bucks for one yr, well at least 60 for a pt for 2 yrs is a better deal!  I just wrote the personal check for 85 bucks and hopefully it will go smooth like it has the last few times!

 

Peace and dont forget to pay for your c.g when you renew!

 

I just got my paperwork together and my CG assumed he had to pay the fee. I told him I would cover it all, it would be easier.

But he's a patient also so he'll have to pay. And maybe pay for a CG card?

He was really surprised he didn't need a copy of his drivers license. Just the DL number. They also changed having to put social security numbers on the application, I never like giving it out and always felt funny having a CG give it out to me.

 

Is it still good for 2 years? There is nothing on any of my paperwork that says the duration it will be good for.

[phaquetoo]

yes it is still good for 2 yrs!  I would have to think that is why they want to do a criminal check on c.g!  we all know alot can happen in 2yrs with our mi gov and a.g!

 

Peace

[Murph]

WTF - Why is there a background check anyway??? 

 

We are abandoning the very people we profess to want to help - I could care less if they have a Felony -- this precise thing was a Felony before 2008. It is just another thing to divide us and we all need to be fighting it -- if " they" (Sen. Rick Jones and his ilk) had their way we would all be felons, so why are we playing this game of divide and conquer ? 

Do you not see what they are doing -- trying to split what should be a united front. 

 

Again, What does having a conviction have to do with chronic pain - do people that have convictions not have pain? Not have illness?|

Pure BS and We really don't think EVERYONE would be a felon if they had it their way? 

[phaquetoo]

WTF - Why is there a background check anyway??? 

 

We are abandoning the very people we profess to want to help - I could care less if they have a Felony -- this precise thing was a Felony before 2008. It is just another thing to divide us and we all need to be fighting it -- if " they" (Sen. Rick Jones and his ilk) had their way we would all be felons, so why are we playing this game of divide and conquer ? 

Do you not see what they are doing -- trying to split what should be a united front. 

 

Again, What does having a conviction have to do with chronic pain - do people that have convictions not have pain? Not have illness?|

 

Pure BS and We really don't think EVERYONE would be a felon if they had it their way? 

our original law said you cant be a c.g if you have a drug fellony!  You can still be a pt and you can still grow for your self!

 

Now I beleive it has been changed to no fellony's within 10 yrs to be a c.g, It never said some one with a fellony cant grow for them selves, it was always about drug convicted fellons not being able to be a c.g.

 

I am not happy with it, but the stripped down law is the law, the only way they run a back ground check is if you want to be a c.g!

 

Peace