Our Endless Numbered Days Are Officially Numbered

[Tumbleweed]

The results from the Michigan primary election (March 8th,2016) will serve as the green light to potential investors. Sure it will take some time before the provisions are made for legalization, sure it will take sometime to catch up with our neatly created grey market, sure there are some growers that will make it to "legitimate" status. But in the end most people will loose out, and while the State allows you to subsidize your life with the small change you can earn, in the end money will have the final say.

 

Look around you and take it in, we are in the middle of the end of America's second great prohibition. But what is sad is not that we are doing this so that people may enjoy civil liberties, we are doing this because well respected, very wealthy investors have calculated the potential earnings in this industry. You are in the middle of the last great true grass root industry in this country. Nothing even close to this will exist for the next several hundred years!!! Farmers earning MIDDLE CLASS incomes!!!

 

When I was young I was infected with curiosity. Although I was able to enjoy many different perspectives on life as a result I would consider curiosity a disease in today's world. The closer you get to the truth the farther you will want to get away from it. Of course it should come as no surprise that a semi-black market once ruled by drug kingpins is fueled by greed. But the greed is shifting shapes now, and it is no longer so easy to spot. If you are curious too I can show you where, how. I have stared into the abyss, and the abyss has stared back into me... it has gone on for too long now.

 

And so here I have found myself, thinking for hours and hours each day, dwelling. Wasting my time and talents. I have decided to do something, this is my note in a bottle and I am throwing it out into the sea. If you are still reading this than there can be no other explanation other than FATE. I need to know the PEOPLE in this industry. The brilliant minds that have made it this far. The people who taught themselves business operations without any professor. I have a strategy that I am certain will at the minimum make it more difficult for the wealthy to take it away from us. And if the people who read this are half as determined as me we will be talked about in history book decades from now as defenders of the last unregulated, un-monopolized industry in this country. 

 

Our time is running out, from today we have 243 days to build an empire.

 

Email > dudenoway@gmail.com

Straight up cell phone # >

Edited July 10, 2015 by Tumbleweed

[imiubu]

lol zap. I get the sense it's not a compassion club.

 

I fall between the cracks no matter what lies ahead.

Too poor to get into business and sure ain't an

industry leader.. heck, I can't even grow worth a

tinkers dam.  I ain't brilliant and have no business

know how

[Tumbleweed]

You are right, My plan was to have a place to meet if the reception was good. I wanted to see what kind of a reaction I would receive. WHAT CAN I DO NOW?

 

1. The first step is really to establish a line of communication. I don't need specifics But I need to be able to approach the right people and say " Hey I just posted some info on a forum and I have 26 phone numbers that are willing to learn"

        Meeting up and discussing this further would eventually become necessary/more beneficial

 

Your size is not relevant to the solution. No matter your size, if you spend anything more than 100$ a year in operating costs than you are big enough to make a world of a difference.

 

Ultimately we would have to form an organization, I am trying to get a feel for how many people

vibe with what I have to say and agree that they want to do something.

 

Lemme give you a small glimpse at the big picture. Once organized The mission here is to mimic what wealthy people will do once they feel as though most of the risk has gone away from a federal level.

 

The first place we can realize a huge increase in efficiency is in our purchasing strategies. No one in this industry looks at the supply chain with a strategic and analytical mindset. And if only you guys knew the markup you pay even at the biggest and cheapest hydro shops.... you would be absolutely blown away. After this would come a revamped operations strategy, and then strategic alliances.

 

I know this sounds heavy but its not, we are already doing almost all the work. If you want to know what you can do right now, say IM GAME. I need emails or numbers so we can get together or get on a large conference call and I can hash out tactical details.

Edited July 8, 2015 by Tumbleweed

[Tumbleweed]

Business know how is not necessary, if you can count we can change the way cannabis is grown in this state forever. You will find no compassion here, this is about knowing where you can make a difference and making that difference. The change required on our part is almost nothing. In fact it would even make things easier for us to operate.

 

It shocks me how everyone seems to believe there is no way they can make a difference.

Edited July 8, 2015 by Tumbleweed

[medmanmike]

You are right, My plan was to have a place to meet if the reception was good. I wanted to see what kind of a reaction I would receive. WHAT CAN I DO NOW?

 

1. The first step is really to establish a line of communication. I don't need specifics But I need to be able to approach the right people and say " Hey I just posted some info on a forum and I have 26 phone numbers that are willing to learn"

        Meeting up and discussing this further would eventually become necessary/more beneficial

 

Your size is not relevant to the solution. No matter your size, if you spend anything more than 100$ a year in operating costs than you are big enough to make a world of a difference.

 

Ultimately we would have to form an organization, I am trying to get a feel for how many people

vibe with what I have to say and agree that they want to do something.

 

Lemme give you a small glimpse at the big picture. Once organized The mission here is to mimic what wealthy people will do once they feel as though most of the risk has gone away from a federal level.

 

The first place we can realize a huge increase in efficiency is in our purchasing strategies. No one in this industry looks at the supply chain with a strategic and analytical mindset. And if only you guys knew the markup you pay even at the biggest and cheapest hydro shops.... you would be absolutely blown away. After this would come a revamped operations strategy, and then strategic alliances.

 

I know this sounds heavy but its not, we are already doing almost all the work. If you want to know what you can do right now, say IM GAME. I need emails or numbers so we can get together or get on a large conference call and I can hash out tactical details.

 

I'm curious, tell me more.

[bobandtorey]

WOW !

 

I'll get back to you soon

 

Thanks and Welcome

Edited July 8, 2015 by bobandtorey

[Tumbleweed]

 

You are right, My plan was to have a place to meet if the reception was good. I wanted to see what kind of a reaction I would receive. WHAT CAN I DO NOW?

 

1. The first step is really to establish a line of communication. I don't need specifics But I need to be able to approach the right people and say " Hey I just posted some info on a forum and I have 26 phone numbers that are willing to learn"

        Meeting up and discussing this further would eventually become necessary/more beneficial

 

Your size is not relevant to the solution. No matter your size, if you spend anything more than 100$ a year in operating costs than you are big enough to make a world of a difference.

 

Ultimately we would have to form an organization, I am trying to get a feel for how many people

vibe with what I have to say and agree that they want to do something.

 

Lemme give you a small glimpse at the big picture. Once organized The mission here is to mimic what wealthy people will do once they feel as though most of the risk has gone away from a federal level.

 

The first place we can realize a huge increase in efficiency is in our purchasing strategies. No one in this industry looks at the supply chain with a strategic and analytical mindset. And if only you guys knew the markup you pay even at the biggest and cheapest hydro shops.... you would be absolutely blown away. After this would come a revamped operations strategy, and then strategic alliances.

 

I know this sounds heavy but its not, we are already doing almost all the work. If you want to know what you can do right now, say IM GAME. I need emails or numbers so we can get together or get on a large conference call and I can hash out tactical details.

 

I'm curious, tell me more.

 

Medmanmike,

 

Is there any specific questions you would like me to address?

 

But let me just address that first strategic issue a little farther. Purchasing. Now when you look at any industry in America you will see supply chain specialists and value analysis engineers that work 55 hours a week analyzing purchasing data looking for a way to save anyhting. Thousands of these people per corporation. In fact American business is so cut throat, take the automotive industry for example, they track unit cost down to 1/100th's of a penny. Now on the contrary to American business, people in this industry go to a retail store to purchase supplies for their business!!! Now do you think a home builder goes to home depot for his supplies?? Or anyone growing corn goes to a hydroponic store!! Hydro Stores are killing it! They take no risk, they spill out all their customers data when they are bothered by police, they sometimes mark up products 20-30-40% You would not believe some of the numbers. Nowhere else in the U.S. would you see a business go to another business that buys from another business that deals with the producers. WE ARE BEING MIDDLEMANNED TO THE BONE.

 

So what can we do? ORGANIZE. It the business world they call them purchasing groups. I studied supply chain management and the best program in the nation but I am not that type of person. I have the resources (people and information). I know ways to make this thing actually happen. And this is not something I want to be the master of, I want this to be a union that looks out for our interests. I want to see the people in this state make this state the capital of trees. I overheard a little something from an executive at hydrofarm, michigan is being strategicaaly set up as the california of the west. Two billionaires have already been buying up warehouses. In maybe 3-7 years its gunna be like colorado here but with the top 1% taking it back.

 

What I need is team mates. People who believe in the middle class and are willing to learn! Then I will begin to create forecasts, looking at places where we can pool resources and buy in bulk. Begin to cut out the middlemen. Eventually start contacting the producers and purchase as one unified group. I would even do all the technical math related work and I want there to be a lot of transparency this way there is real TRUST.

 

I dont know if that was the tell me more you wanted to hear, but I can go on all day. Gimme a call if you want

Edited July 9, 2015 by Tumbleweed

[t-pain]

sounds like amway for marijuana. just kidding.

 

have you started organizing lists of material producers?

biochar sources

compost sources

worm farms

rock dust

viable hemp seed?

chicken poop farms

lakeweed / seaweed farms

mycorhyzza farms

beneficial microbe farms

coconut husk supplier

 

fish supplier? think of all those silver carp coming to lake michigan that could be ground up and used as plant food!

[trichcycler]

we think a mark up of 40% is unreasonable in industry?  take a look at other industries for a real awakening. Even the dollar store does better than that, and most all of their wares are supporting china.

, its the manufacturers. like the 2000% mark up on most hydro juices before it gets to the store. hydro store owners are not getting rich, I know two established ones personally.

[jeff from bad axe]

I like your thinking.All caregivers organizing.Local 420.I would always be interested in saving money.

[Indigro]

Sure it will take some time before the provisions are made for legalization, sure there are some growers that will make it to "legitimate" status.

 

But in the end most people will loose out, and while the State allows you to subsidize your life with the small change you can earn

 

Nothing even close to this will exist for the next several hundred years!!! Farmers earning MIDDLE CLASS incomes

 

But the greed is shifting shapes now, and it is no longer so easy to spot.

 

I have a strategy that I am certain will at the minimum make it more difficult for the wealthy to take it away from us.

 

And if the people who read this are half as determined as me we will be talked about in history book decades from now as defenders of the last unregulated, un-monopolized industry in this country.

 

Our time is running out, from today we have 243 days to build an empire.

 

This seems to me the greatest shame to what is happening to the mj industry, as it develops into a 'legal' market... That the potential for middle class people/families to have the opportunity to particpate and have ownership is being taken away.

 

Those with money, connections, and power are positioning themselves and the laws to institute a near monopoly on the ownership and potential profits. The industry is situating to become exclusive and massively commercial. The everyday normal person will not be legally allowed ownership in the game, and they will be leached by the exclusive for the last of their dollars, and future potential.

 

Organizing for purchasing power, such as a farming collective, doesn't address limited ownership and licensing. And really, hydro shops work on the same retail margins as any other business out there. The real problem is limited participation in the game... And there is a laundry list of harms that stem from such models... Most of which is to the end consumer and middle class.

 

MI is on the cusp... I'd really be interested in how we can alter the trajectory... Would love to hear more...

[GregS]

The first thing to do to get organized is to start organizing. Talk is cheap.

[Tumbleweed]

we think a mark up of 40% is unreasonable in industry?  take a look at other industries for a real awakening. Even the dollar store does better than that, and most all of their wares are supporting china.

, its the manufacturers. like the 2000% mark up on most hydro juices before it gets to the store. hydro store owners are not getting rich, I know two established ones personally.

Grassmatch,

 

At a dollar store the product is being sold directly to the end consumer. And in retail that is the last stop before it reaches the hands of the consumer. True we consume the products we buy from hydro stores, however our situation is nowhere near that example of a dollar store. People do not go to retail stores to purchase raw materials that then become the beginning of another supply chain.

 

Most hydro store owners are not getting rich. no. I have an intimate knowledge of that world, most of them have no sense for inventory holding costs let alone developing decent operating strategies. Plus the market is totally saturated with them, so no they are not getting "rich", but neither are you. I can promise you what will happen once this stuff becomes legal. Exactly what I am saying will happen and what makes me sick is how, when reading this, most people immediately think eh... yea but.... I mean... What are you gunna do? It makes me want to leave it up to the smart ones to take it over. Man im starting to think they are the ones that deserve it.... They work hard, they work together, they get it done.

Edited July 9, 2015 by Tumbleweed

[Tumbleweed]

The first thing to do to get organized is to start organizing. Talk is cheap.

 

 

Call/email me, see the first post for email or phone number

Edited July 9, 2015 by Tumbleweed

[Tumbleweed]

This seems to me the greatest shame to what is happening to the mj industry, as it develops into a 'legal' market... That the potential for middle class people/families to have the opportunity to particpate and have ownership is being taken away.

 

Those with money, connections, and power are positioning themselves and the laws to institute a near monopoly on the ownership and potential profits. The industry is situating to become exclusive and massively commercial. The everyday normal person will not be legally allowed ownership in the game, and they will be leached by the exclusive for the last of their dollars, and future potential.

 

Organizing for purchasing power, such as a farming collective, doesn't address limited ownership and licensing. And really, hydro shops work on the same retail margins as any other business out there. The real problem is limited participation in the game... And there is a laundry list of harms that stem from such models... Most of which is to the end consumer and middle class.

 

MI is on the cusp... I'd really be interested in how we can alter the trajectory... Would love to hear more

Indigro,

 

 There are always going to be problems, what we need is the nerds trained by the people that are looking at taking this industry over. There is no way to escape that there will be problems, but none will be as big as billionaires with unlimited connections and resources moving in.

 

If we could put together a group of intelligent people there are so many ways I can think of that would allow us to at the minimum put a dent in this machine. if you really want to hear more you need to call that number I listed in my first post.

[Tumbleweed]

Enjoy taking your "piece of the pie" from everyone else; just keep telling yourself you deserve it.

 

And when you make it to the top of the mountain with the rest of MRC, make sure you take these smart cost savings and pass them on to cannabis consumers.

 Zap,

 

I don't take anything from anyone. In the past I've only grown for me and one other patient. There is no way WE can get to the top when we are fighting with each other and not focused on a common goal.

 

I am simply expressing my frustration with the fact that we could do so much more, yet we all seem out to prove something. Get you neg attitude out of here

[Tumbleweed]

sounds like amway for marijuana. just kidding.

 

have you started organizing lists of material producers?

biochar sources

compost sources

worm farms

rock dust

viable hemp seed?

chicken poop farms

lakeweed / seaweed farms

mycorhyzza farms

beneficial microbe farms

coconut husk supplier

 

fish supplier? think of all those silver carp coming to lake michigan that could be ground up and used as plant food!

This is not about creating new products or trying to manage every single SKU available. Google the "80/20 rule", in the end this is NOT about saving a few bucks. This is about creating a future for us.

Edited July 9, 2015 by Tumbleweed

[phaquetoo]

we think a mark up of 40% is unreasonable in industry?  take a look at other industries for a real awakening. Even the dollar store does better than that, and most all of their wares are supporting china.

, its the manufacturers. like the 2000% mark up on most hydro juices before it gets to the store. hydro store owners are not getting rich, I know two established ones personally.

I was self employed most of my life, A company needs at least 35 to 40% to cover costs, in my company's than the owners got the 60% profit, of course I was a working owner and that 40% paid my materials, wages and comp ins, gas, phone, office/storage space, etc

 

If your co dont make at least 35% you are not going to pull a good wage, I was never more than middle class, now im poverty class on ssdi, I know how much it cost to grow awsome meds and a good grower who is smart can make a fair income after costs and not over charge their pt's!

 

Now im  not saying people should only get a certain amount for their products, but we are not selling pizza's here so there realy should not be a 100% mark up on anything mm,,,,I know of alot of growers who have so many peices of equip sitting around that they dont use any longer, the just spend spend spend and think that their mistaken spending should be gotten back from their pt's

 

Im thinking this newbie is full of himself/herself not to mention a few other things!

 

does the op think they cant put it all out here because some one is gonna steal their Idea?  Trust me many others have and are thinking the same thing and Im pos it is nothing new!

 

our days are numbered bawahahahahahaha!

 

My days have been numbered since the day I was born!

 

Peace

 

cya all at tarzans court date tomorow at 11 am eh!  If we can make a court date to show allegiance we might be able to do a 1/4 of what the op says!

[Tumbleweed]

As far as I am concerned, the post started with negativity, and is negatively titled. It will attract negativity.

 

Your right, and for that I apologize. Our future is grim if we stand by and do nothing. We need to be afraid, that fear needs to drive us to do something. 

 

For many reasons I hate using the internet because you can never convey a message the same way you can when you simply hear someone's voice. I bet you know a lot of good smart people out there and you seem very involved... dang I wish we could have started on a good note

[Tumbleweed]

I was self employed most of my life, A company needs at least 35 to 40% to cover costs, in my company's than the owners got the 60% profit, of course I was a working owner and that 40% paid my materials, wages and comp ins, gas, phone, office/storage space, etc

 

If your co dont make at least 35% you are not going to pull a good wage, I was never more than middle class, now im poverty class on ssdi, I know how much it cost to grow awsome meds and a good grower who is smart can make a fair income after costs and not over charge their pt's!

 

Now im  not saying people should only get a certain amount for their products, but we are not selling pizza's here so there realy should not be a 100% mark up on anything mm,,,,I know of alot of growers who have so many peices of equip sitting around that they dont use any longer, the just spend spend spend and think that their mistaken spending should be gotten back from their pt's

 

Im thinking this newbie is full of himself/herself not to mention a few other things!

 

does the op think they cant put it all out here because some one is gonna steal their Idea?  Trust me many others have and are thinking the same thing and Im pos it is nothing new!

 

our days are numbered bawahahahahahaha!

 

My days have been numbered since the day I was born!

 

Peace

 

cya all at tarzans court date tomorow at 11 am eh!  If we can make a court date to show allegiance we might be able to do a 1/4 of what the op says!

There are no ideas to steal. Its rather straight forward. What court? If that is what it took to get someone on board id be there

[phaquetoo]

There are no ideas to steal. Its rather straight forward. What court? If that is what it took to get someone on board id be there

http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/topic/48736-prayers-for-dr-tarzan/

 

 

Hope to see you there!

 

tomorow at 11 am, atlanta Mi

 

Peace

[+Malamute]

Im still not exactly sure what you are trying to do.

 

The price margins on equipment is pretty low if you check the tubes on the internet.

 

Do you want to start a cooperative to lower prices?

 

As far as I know, only way to keep costs low is home growing.

 

And, 20 years ago, it was around $400 for a 1000watt ballast etc. Now you can get one for around $200.

 

Just not seeing what you are saying...

[Tumbleweed]

This is what I am proposing we do. I will leave out the smaller details because its not necessary until action starts to take place.

 

1. We gather together, liked minded people that want to learn. Ideally you would need to possess some level of know how.

 

2. We begin to purchase under one unified force using some simple data analysis. Increasing the purchasing size from a retail customer to an actual real business. Once established we become an actual threat to those that can buy with unlimited resources.

 

3. Once you become bigger other fish in the ocean notice. This will allow us to reduce financial risks by pooling together resources.

 

4. We begin to look ahead strategically, the organization becomes like a lubricant for trade and business within this industry in this state. Once our dollars are used as a weapon we will become infinitely more powerful. I can find good talent once people see we are organized and that talent will serve as a catalyst to make business deals with each other. Example: 3 well established growers decide to go in on an investment together.

 

This will eventually become a big farm the question is whether the money goes to outside investors who care nothing about people like us, or it goes back to us. There is no magic way to defeat capitalism, but we can change what is going to happen to us. Of course this would all operate under an airtight level of trust and transparency

Edited July 9, 2015 by Tumbleweed

[Tumbleweed]

Im still not exactly sure what you are trying to do.

 

The price margins on equipment is pretty low if you check the tubes on the internet.

 

Do you want to start a cooperative to lower prices?

 

As far as I know, only way to keep costs low is home growing.

 

And, 20 years ago, it was around $400 for a 1000watt ballast etc. Now you can get one for around $200.

 

Just not seeing what you are saying...

 

 

The cost of almost all products (when adjusted for inflation) has gone down massively in price since however long ago. This is a result of many trends but mostly the drive towards a consumer/retail based economoy vs. a production economy. I can show you all sorts of census data to depict this but it is useless, most every economist knows this is the truth. So prices going down alone is not saying enough. What is crazy is the model of the supply chain. It goes something like this. Producer(Chinese of course)>hydrofarm/sunlight>hydrostore (which simply uses hydrofarm/sunlights shopping cart)>grower>patient. If we became organized we could make it look like this. Producer(Chinese of course)>hydrofarm/sunlight>grower>patient  or even like this for some items like light bulbs!! Producer(Chinese of course)>grower>patient. I mean this is totally do able. We could become the pot capital of the u.s. if we act smart, quickly, and we catch the wealthy off guard. this is exactly what they are going to do when it becomes fully legal.

Edited July 10, 2015 by Tumbleweed

[Tumbleweed]

Look I will say this is a big big project. But in the end it comes down to the people, how determined we all are, what the leadership is like. Who, and what you know... Look I grew up an observer, I know this is going to go down like I am predicting. We will not be able to create a world where this industry stays the same. That is totally imposible, but we can create some future for us where we can still do what we love and survive doing it.

 

I mean really I am willing to make all of the complicated stuff happen (anyone can help of course , negotiate, make the connections, work the data, create purchase order forecasts... but we gotta work together!!!

Edited July 9, 2015 by Tumbleweed