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8In Cool Tube Vs Magnum Xxxl Lo Pro 8In Not Sure What To Buy


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im not really sure what to buy and want some input on what other people would do in my situation. with the cool tubes i would have more vertical space for plants to  grow i think i dont have much height maybe 6ft high by 6ft wide and 8ft long would the cool tubes direct the same amout of light in that room as the magnum xxxl lo pros? plus its a pain hunching under the light so i dont hit my head lol

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thats what i was thinking was the cool tubes plus they cost alot less. thanx grassmatch but the cool tubes im intrested in are 8 in but thank you for the offer though. how many do you think i could run in a room like mine i was gunna try 2 1000w hps? and if it gets too hot dim both to 600w hps my exhaust will be a 12'' max fan and it will be exhausting 2 rooms they are both the same size fully enclosed within the basement the rooms are dry walled and mudded i have 8in carbon filters in both rooms hooked up to the lights and 8in intakes on both rooms and 1 16in wall mount fan in each room one room is veg other is flower.

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you can run as many lights as you can afford to manage. With more than one 1000 light you will need an air conditioner with or without ventilation.

If you want the most out of your plants surround them with light, if you want the most out of your lights, surround them with plants. You're at a good  place in your room

with two 6oo watt lights. Without ac you'll suffer using 1000 watt lights. A dehumidifier is an absolute must in the indoor medical garden.  My flower room is 12x20 and I have 3 x 1k HPS lights and 1 600 watt MH. I don't ventilate in our out and I use exposed bulbs. My . ac runs most hours of the 12 hour cycle and rarely after. My veg room is 12x 10 with one 2x4 482 watt T5 light fixture, with a light lock "S: curtain between the room. Scrubbed air is circulated between the too rooms along with C02, during the flowering lights on schedule. My dehumidifier runs often t lights off, rarely with lights on. The rooms are "sealed" as best as I can with plywood and wrapped in fiberglass insulation, 2 inch Styrofoam, tar paper, foil/bubble/foil, steel panels.  I'm not fussy about outside air or pests I just found it less troublesome to be completely in control of the environment and couldn't do that using outdoor air. I even sealed up the cool tubes and vented in out directly. Then came condensation in the winter, dirty wet glass on the inside of the reflectors, increased bulb failures. Now I have zero worries of the outdoor atmosphere, no failures, no condensation, no reflectors, longer bulb life and a nicer atmosphere. Yep, it was a bit more costly at onset but well worth it for me in garden savings/troubles.

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Dehumidifier is a must. Exhaust air is tricky depending on where your stuff is located. If you are on a second floor, I'd exhaust straight up. Hot air rises and your exhaust air is likely hotter than outside air.

 

Ac exhaust is hot and stinky. So best to get it outside. If you are stuck exhausting inside your home or building, an inline filter might be a must.

 

Not too sure on different models. I think mine is single but I exhaust straight outside because I live on a hill. Nobody to smell me.

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i could use that vent to exhaust hot air

that might be best. Exhausting in-house will cost you more energy to cool. I'd suggest a false window for a basement window with filters. Unless you are in the country. Most windows fit commercial filters. I've known a few MERV 10+ filters to do the trick in a window.

 

I use a 600 cfm scrubber in a 10×10 for thought. Though my fan only runs at 400cfm.

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a window unit does not exchange inside air with clean air unless the option is set on "exchange air", but the wheel around portables do.

"getting away" with growing a certain way will ultimately catch up with you. I suggest doing the whole atmosphere control thing from the onset,

and let nature do the rest. Your plants will only grow to their weakest resource. Be it temperature, humidity, or light, you really don't want

to half step the garden management right from the beginning, only to back paddle for the catch up.

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2000 is a bit much for that size room, imo. 1200 should do it.

This is about right. ^^^

 

Each 600 will take up about a 3x3 area... That leaves you very slim working area to get around and to the plants, and really that is cramming it. If u try to keep as much of the growing area away from the wall as possible... You'll have a 2' channel on one long side, a 1' channel on the opposite long side, a 2' channel on the short end, and the other short end will be up against the wall. The 2' channels will be tight but workable if u r a retired jockey... And will need go on a diet for the 1' side. Plus you will have the deuy and a fan and a scrubber to fit in there.

 

But 1200 also means no ac if u run it well.

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 288 cf room with two 600 watt lights........    good luck managing a full time dehuey heat production without ac. Consider the cost of an ac unit could be near what your first plant is worth....while the cost of fumbling with issues is gray hair and old age.

 

ac,dehuey,heat for total atmosphere control is a must in every indoor medical room imo.

The rooms I see without total control are riddled with one issue after another given enough time. Mites, mildew, bud rot, root rot, plant failures, late finishes, suffering harvests ...all avoidable. Don't trip over dollars to pick up nickels...my best grow room advice towards producing fine medical grade cannabis for patients and yourself.

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288 cf room with two 600 watt lights........ good luck managing a full time dehuey heat production without ac. Consider the cost of an ac unit could be near what your first plant is worth....while the cost of fumbling with issues is gray hair and old age.

 

ac,dehuey,heat for total atmosphere control is a must in every indoor medical room imo.

The rooms I see without total control are riddled with one issue after another given enough time. Mites, mildew, bud rot, root rot, plant failures, late finishes, suffering harvests ...all avoidable. Don't trip over dollars to pick up nickels...my best grow room advice towards producing fine medical grade cannabis for patients and yourself.

Therein lies the rub... If he did it 'proper'

 

U can get two 1k's to fire in an open basement w a commercial deuy running sporadically and keep the temps between 78-84, depending on the seasons, where a heater is needed during the winter. But in a smaller room w/o the ability to dissipate the heat as well, it would require some smart use of vent tubes and a secondary lung room... Maybe remote locating the ballasts, on the basement floor at the opposite end, or upstairs.

 

It'l certainly work for 3 seasons, and jul/aug runs might b a bit warm, but he could always just reduce loads for that crop. With such a small area, it would require a secondary air exchange area of the basement

 

He wouldnt need an ac for most of the year, and half the year heating would be needed, plus nights for at least 3/4 of the year, if not every night of the year. It could be done, but depends on his basement and overall management.

 

The whole first year is going to be an experiment to set the inputs to get the desired outputs anyway... Lots of dialing in around the seasons

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that is awesome!  with a dehuey and some c02 you could seal the room for sure with no temp issues. That mini split will freeze you out!  I wish my wife wasn't put off by

"outside of the building evidence) or else I'd have installed  mini split cooler. My ac units are stressed with the on/off cycling and last less than five years so far. Its acceptable to me, but I'd prefer a mini split.   Kudos for going right to the top, for the best of your options!   cant wait for updates in your room!

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yea ill take pics of everything once it is finished i just figured that was by far the easiet way. got a quick question though 1.if i use a carbon scrubber in the room and sit it on the floor with a 4in inline will it scrub all my co2 i was wondering about that because i have neighbors all around and i need that scrubber lol

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Your carbon scrubber is necessary. The bigger the better. The activated carbon inside is full of cracks and crevices that will trap-scrub- smells from your room. It should be left on 24/7 with a good inline fan. It will no affect the co2 saturation in your room. Your plant will exhale oxygen and need co2 to breathe and photosynthesize properly.  Ambient co2 is around 400 ppm. This works well outdoors because unlike inside a grow room, leaf air is exchanged hundreds of times more often than we can replicate with fans. In my sealed room I must keep the room saturated at 1500ppm just to get the comfortable 400 around every plant surface full time.

 

To do this I use a Co2 generator. Mine uses propane and others may use natural gas too. Its the burning propane that produces c02 simply. A meter on the wall monitors the c02 levels in the room, checks with atmosphere control comparing temperatures and exhaust possibilities, then cycles until the desired saturation is achieved.

Although cannabis will grow in a driveway crack, a locked attic, or even a closed up closet, keep in mind it will only grow to its weakest resource. If everything is perfect in the sealed room, except c02, plant health will suffer,  along with yields and potency. Unhealthy plants attract pests like mites, gnats, etc, and are are susceptible to molds. A room using outdoor air will supply more c02 than a sealed one for thought, still below the needed 400 ppm's though.

 

good luck

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