New York State Mmj Prices

[Norby]

A 250mg CBD tincture bottle is $135.  That 1.5 grams of flower(Huel Perkins Cannatonic at 18%) extracted into a tincture.  If it's 25% THC strain that is one gram of flower per $135 bottle.  That is over $3500 an ounce of flower extracted into tincture.  I think I've found where the politicians and cops are getting their prices.  it's actual NYS MMJ prices they are going by.  Disgusting!!!

I figured it would cost me $175 a day to move back to NY and buy my meds at a dispensary.  It'd cost about $300+ a day to try and treat cancer.

[zachw]

A 250mg CBD tincture bottle is $135.  That 1.5 grams of flower(Huel Perkins Cannatonic at 18%) extracted into a tincture.  If it's 25% THC strain that is one gram of flower per $135 bottle.  That is over $3500 an ounce of flower extracted into tincture.  I think I've found where the politicians and cops are getting their prices.  it's actual NYS MMJ prices they are going by.  Disgusting!!!

I figured it would cost me $175 a day to move back to NY and buy my meds at a dispensary.  It'd cost about $300+ a day to try and treat cancer.

 

Not sure that's a good example. Have you heard of any high cbd concentrate anywhere that wasn't ridiculously expensive?

[+Malamute]

I see caregivers for cheaper all the time. :-)

[Norby]

There are no caregivers that can grow in NYS and yes, CBD tincture is the same price as THC tincture at $20 a bottle here.  Although it would be less from me or a caregiver, they are only allowed to buy from the dispensaries there. They have no other choice.  And THC tincture is the same price in NYS.  They are all forced to grow only 5 strains, 1 hi CBD, 1 hi THC, 1 50/50 and 2 of their choice.  Not sure why they have to grow a 50/50 if they are already growing a hi THC and hi CBD, especially when they don't decarb at the same rate.  Useless!!!

[trichcycler]

^^ that may be exactly what happens to all when the voices of some posters are listened too.  who needs variety when one or two will do the job,  what kind of a caregiver grows to his limits, patients don't need oil anyways, they have pot, who needs a caregiver when we have dispensaries... 

[outsideinthecold]

If New York State is illustrative of the government controlled mmj market, the continued existence of an unregulated, illegal mmj black market is assured.

 

As well as the continued existence of the big government plant police arrest-and-punishment industry.

 

It is the best of both worlds.

 

The Demcrats get their tax revenues and the Republicans get their police posses.

 

Bipartisanship lives!

Edited February 25, 2016 by outsideinthecold

[Norby]

Now, supposedly, they are going to sell oils that you can vape.  Guess they just wanted to make it easily distinguishable from teh black market.  Oil only, no flowers or you get arrested and kicked out of the program, Cuomo's stipulation I think.  They're just looking out for you, they don't want you to get all teh tars and such from smoking plant material.  Better to kick you out of the program and face incarceration, that'll solve your cancer or Crohn's.

[keylan]

This makes me sick. how do these politicians sleep at night. You have got to be a special kind of donkey rectum to gouge the sick. And yes I know the drug companies have been doing it forever. But MM is a plant they have no R&D money in yet somehow our society has found yet another way to screw the most vulnerable

[zachw]

There are no caregivers that can grow in NYS and yes, CBD tincture is the same price as THC tincture at $20 a bottle here.  Although it would be less from me or a caregiver, they are only allowed to buy from the dispensaries there. They have no other choice.  And THC tincture is the same price in NYS.  They are all forced to grow only 5 strains, 1 hi CBD, 1 hi THC, 1 50/50 and 2 of their choice.  Not sure why they have to grow a 50/50 if they are already growing a hi THC and hi CBD, especially when they don't decarb at the same rate.  Useless!!!

 

I'm not interested in a "CBD tincture", which is simply an infusion in alcohol made by an unknown cook using their supposedly "high CBD" cannabis.

 

I want a KNOWN quantity of CBD (&THC) that can be taken internally. Do you know of such a creature that isn't expensive?

[Restorium2]

I'm not interested in a "CBD tincture", which is simply an infusion in alcohol made by an unknown cook using their supposedly "high CBD" cannabis.

 

I want a KNOWN quantity of CBD (&THC) that can be taken internally. Do you know of such a creature that isn't expensive?

Known results work too. You have to go there anyway. I bet I can get identical MECHANICAL test results from cannabis oil with different patient reporting results. Conversely, I bet I can get different mechanical testing results for two different cannabis oils that work the same for a patient. I know I can give two different patients the same oil and get different reported results. 

[Norby]

I'm not interested in a "CBD tincture", which is simply an infusion in alcohol made by an unknown cook using their supposedly "high CBD" cannabis.

 

I want a KNOWN quantity of CBD (&THC) that can be taken internally. Do you know of such a creature that isn't expensive?

Ya, Co2 extracted tinctures from FX labs.  The lab tests are up at Iron Labs website.  What do you mean my KNOWN?  If you don't take lab results I'm not sure if anything fits your level of doubt.  The same 250mg would be $75 here, about 1/2 price in NYS, but no it is expensive since 250mg CBD is about 1.5 grams dry weight.

My tinctures are estimated from tests I've seen from oils on iron labs and I'll now get a sample tested to see how good I was in my estimates.  But whether the measurement is sound in my "basement method" the results and proportions are consistent.  So if I tell my patients there is an estimated 10-12 mg THC or CBD, I'm consistent in my process and mg is just a unit of measure while the actual measurement is the only thing that matters unless you are switching to a new supplier, then you'd just have to readjust.  But if they could grow at home they could get 1/4lb a month at a very lo price and mg again would be nothing but a unit of measure that the same method can be used to achieve repeatable results.

 

Or basically what Resto is saying.

Edited February 26, 2016 by Norby

[Norby]

And now I'm awaiting info on a message sent to a patient looking for a 20 to 1 CBD to THC ratio and they said they only had 50/50 at the moment and he thought the 20 to 1 was going to be a couple weeks off because it took time to extract the CBD and re add it to the tincture.  I really hope they are not seperating ALL the whole plant constituents and only giving these people CBD and THC.  She asked if that would make it the same as synthetic and they didn't reply.  I posted some stuff on whole plant extract and the entourage effect and told tehm to get the lab results from teh oil or tincture(they are made with glycerin!) to make sure tehy have the terpenes and flavinoids in tehm.  I told them to ask for info on the terpene content and gave them a list of effects from different terpenes to get them on the right track of requesting something hi in gerinol for cancer, myrcene for anxiety, etc.  I mean if they are going to charge that much and require testing it might as well work towards patient reporting of effects of certain terpenes in their oils so they can share pertinent info.  Holy shiit the wave of feeling like you left a bunch of people behind in battle.  While I'm here getting better they are at square one.  They don't even know if their meds are decarbed or not or what decarbing means to medibles.

[zachw]

Ya, Co2 extracted tinctures from FX labs.  The lab tests are up at Iron Labs website.  What do you mean my KNOWN?  If you don't take lab results I'm not sure if anything fits your level of doubt.  The same 250mg would be $75 here, about 1/2 price in NYS, but no it is expensive since 250mg CBD is about 1.5 grams dry weight.

My tinctures are estimated from tests I've seen from oils on iron labs and I'll now get a sample tested to see how good I was in my estimates.  But whether the measurement is sound in my "basement method" the results and proportions are consistent.  So if I tell my patients there is an estimated 10-12 mg THC or CBD, I'm consistent in my process and mg is just a unit of measure while the actual measurement is the only thing that matters unless you are switching to a new supplier, then you'd just have to readjust.  But if they could grow at home they could get 1/4lb a month at a very lo price and mg again would be nothing but a unit of measure that the same method can be used to achieve repeatable results.

 

Or basically what Resto is saying.

 

We're sort of on the same page here. 

 

For treating a condition with high CBD, I ideally want to be able to know the dosage. Just like any pharmaceutical. (FX Labs was mentioned: my favorite commercial medible are their 50 mg THC chocolate truffles!)

 

Second choice is something that is not lab tested but is a consistent product. That may be very hard for a caregiver to provide over time due to the vagaries of growing, but as long as it is reasonably consistent and does not require major dose adjustments.

 

But still, I would much prefer to know how many milligrams of CBD are in a capsule.

[Restorium2]

We're sort of on the same page here. 

 

For treating a condition with high CBD, I ideally want to be able to know the dosage. Just like any pharmaceutical. (FX Labs was mentioned: my favorite commercial medible are their 50 mg THC chocolate truffles!)

 

Second choice is something that is not lab tested but is a consistent product. That may be very hard for a caregiver to provide over time due to the vagaries of growing, but as long as it is reasonably consistent and does not require major dose adjustments.

 

But still, I would much prefer to know how many milligrams of CBD are in a capsule.

Not as hard as you may think. I used to think that too but after a lot of patient testing it's fairly easy to accommodate a patient after you have zeroed in on their dosage. Once you get them on their path they pretty much self adjust to what they need. You have to be very careful at first and then build on what you learn from them.

[zachw]

Not as hard as you may think. I used to think that too but after a lot of patient testing it's fairly easy to accommodate a patient after you have zeroed in on their dosage. Once you get them on their path they pretty much self adjust to what they need. You have to be very careful at first and then build on what you learn from them.

 

Resto -

 

Not being a caregiver/grower for other folks I'll take your word on this!  

[Restorium2]

Resto -

 

Not being a caregiver/grower for other folks I'll take your word on this!  

When you use patients for your testing results it's a whole different world than what you hear about from the folks that strictly depend on mechanical testing and dispensaries. You hear reports from the mechanical testers and you just want to say, "Wait just a minute there, that's totally off base".  Same with a lot of studies. They are flat out wrong. So then you try to figure out how they went wrong. You can learn from 'wrong' too. Sometimes wrongness can be enlightening. Or sometimes they are wrong to make money and that's just infuriating. Or wrong to prove something they want to prove for political reasons or just out of spite. 

Edited February 27, 2016 by Restorium2