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As a licensed CG, I am currently in the process of trying to map out all the material and equipment needed to build my very on grow room. (Have yet to purchase my first 2x4, lamp, or fixture) Although I have read tons of reviews and watched countless tutorials, I still lack the confidence to actually begin this somewhat painstaking process. While I know that each setup is different based upon a variety of factors, I am looking to construct a room capable of producing high quality medication. (Genetics and horticultural techniques aside) Undoubtedly, my main concern would be efficiency over cost-effectiveness. With this being said, I have a relatively small room (roughly 8x10) that I would like to be able to use to its full potential.

 

I do not have a preference as far as brands or products, but I am a firm believer in the saying "you get what you pay for."

 

If there are any other more experienced builders or growers who are willing to assist in this project, I would be more than willing to compensate them for their time, effort, and knowledge. If not, all tips and advise given here will be greatly appreciated. 

 

Thanks in advance

 

-AENID

 
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Remember out of that 8x10 room your going to need two spaces one for flower another for veg and clones here is a short list of what you will need

 

1 or 2 1000 watt ballasts and hoods plus 2 inline fans to cool the hoods also depending on location of your grow carbon filters for smell

 

Either T 5 fluorescent or T 8 fixtures for veg and a stand or wall mounted fan to promote air circulation in both rooms

 

Either a portable ac unit or a mini split ac  its going to get hot in the summer

 

Panda film and plastic to cover the floor of the grow room  panda film white side out on the walls 

 

Thermometer to know the heat and humidity in the room

 

PH Pen to know the PH levels or your water

 

This is a start you can get underway and add on as you go you can choose to build a temporary wall between the  growth areas or just get a  tarp to keep the light separate from the flower room remember it must be light tight any leaks you  might have hermie issues.

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Remember out of that 8x10 room your going to need two spaces one for flower another for veg.

 

 

May i call you alley for short (even tho you resemble a venerated greek philosopher of 3 milleniums back)?

i love and respect (and have met) KD but this advice is wrong, tho it is traditional, classically traditional advice. You make a big point that you want 'efficiency.'  As in, how to get the most great bud for the least labor, time and disappointment?  Then build your 80 square feet as one great flower space, and buy clones from the clone jockey with the bestest reputation you can locate. If you are in Detroit, I can guide you to him (and his price is $7 each for plants 8-9 inches tall) !!!!!!!!!   Flower them the day you bring them home, and in roughly 2 months you have bud on every plant under your roof and on your card.  Versus half your plants being budless cuttings and mothers and vegging plants useless for buds now: which i define as half-azzzzzzzzzzzzzz  super inefficiency.  Stagger your buys with periods between.  This children, is how to use 80 square feet like a pro.  Nothing derogatory intended to anyone (except traditional production schemes).

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May i call you alley for short (even tho you resemble a venerated greek philosopher of 3 milleniums back)?

i love and respect (and have met) KD but this advice is wrong, tho it is traditional, classically traditional advice. You make a big point that you want 'efficiency.'  As in, how to get the most great bud for the least labor, time and disappointment?  Then build your 80 square feet as one great flower space, and buy clones from the clone jockey with the bestest reputation you can locate. If you are in Detroit, I can guide you to him (and his price is $7 each for plants 8-9 inches tall) !!!!!!!!!   Flower them the day you bring them home, and in roughly 2 months you have bud on every plant under your roof and on your card.  Versus half your plants being budless cuttings and mothers and vegging plants useless for buds now: which i define as half-azzzzzzzzzzzzzz  super inefficiency.  Stagger your buys with periods between.  This children, is how to use 80 square feet like a pro.  Nothing derogatory intended to anyone (except traditional production schemes).

A grower should learn from day 1 to be self sufficient ive been growing for 7 years now and tried to go the route you suggest but suppliers come and go like the wind for new growers starting from seed  and taking cuts makes the most sense fully mature vegged out flower ready plants can run as high as $200 a plant depending on  strain .

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You have to look at longevity when setting up. KD's advice will result in quality meds now & later. You don't want to rely on getting clones from someone else, set up right once & you will be much happier later. I won't buy clones from anyone I don't know real well, not only will you get bugs, inevitably, you don't really know if what you got is what it's supposed to be. I would recommend a perpetual grow for a fresh supply of meds all the time while still staying within the limits of plants and weight. & above all, if your gonna do it, do it legal! Don't push limits or play in gray areas, it's not worth it.

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If it were me and i had 10 ft cielings, i would section of a 2x8 alley, fill it with 2 2x4 flood tables and 2 4f 6 bulb t5s, or two to 3 lec 315 watt mhs for veg, then stick two 1000w gavitas to cover the flower portion, with a modular flood system.(or 4 conventional 600s if ceilings are lower) the gavitas would require an a/c, mini split is what i would get to cover future upgrades, but a window or portable would be sufficient. All fans would be can max fans and filters phresh....i love me some max fans.

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I've got my rooms in a dedicated out building. I read the internets for decades and learned everyone has a different experience in their garden compared to the next grower.

Some say this strain is the best, or that fertilizer works or this one does not.  I stopped reading grow instructions on forums and bought a book. Jorge Cervantes, an old grow editor from high times magazine, called the medical marijuana grow bible.

 

I finished the book in a week, ignored the bulk of internet advice, found a reliable seed broker, rec'd by the book, and purchased every cannabis cup winner ever named in the high times magazine.

Since then I've heard many growers experience mold, theft, mites, and worse.

I employed every bit from the book and have NEVER experienced any of those grower woes.

I grow the best medical cannabis possible in those rooms, never a complaint, never a mite, never molds, no police, and I have the lowest growing costs I've heard of on this forum in a comparable space.

 

buy the book I'd say, 20 bucks,

peace

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ask that question get 1000 answers,, everyone has there own way.... from throwin seed in the lot next door to warehouses in the city.. Read up on it like grass says, there is no set way to do it. I Do RDWC, works for me, @ full swing i can supply all my patients, me  and then some, but due to legal reasons we can't do that... you would be best served learning how to harvest at the level  you need, not want. I guess it depends on how you go about it,  your cost should be around 15,00 to 20.00 oz to grow, do you need to be more efficient than that? That is what KD is suggesting in his method/style.. As you go you could actually get cost down from there.. 

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You have to look at longevity when setting up. KD's advice will result in quality meds now & later. You don't want to rely on getting clones from someone else, set up right once & you will be much happier later. I won't buy clones from anyone I don't know real well, not only will you get bugs, inevitably, you don't really know if what you got is what it's supposed to be. I would recommend a perpetual grow for a fresh supply of meds all the time while still staying within the limits of plants and weight. & above all, if your gonna do it, do it legal! Don't push limits or play in gray areas, it's not worth it.

I got clones from my c.g and the mites destroyed every thing!  so sometimes even people you know and trust give you bugs!

 

veg room and budd room, you want to make  your own clones, and you will need a mother or 2, depending on the out come of the product, mothers can always be thrown in the budd room, always make your own clones, and a virtual is the only way to go in my o.p, you want to be moving a vegged plant into bud every other wk would be awsome!

 

600 watt lights are more cost effective than 1000k, my op and im sticking to it!

 

Best of luck!

 

Peace

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As a licensed CG, I am currently in the process of trying to map out all the material and equipment needed to build my very on grow room. (Have yet to purchase my first 2x4, lamp, or fixture) Although I have read tons of reviews and watched countless tutorials, I still lack the confidence to actually begin this somewhat painstaking process. While I know that each setup is different based upon a variety of factors, I am looking to construct a room capable of producing high quality medication. (Genetics and horticultural techniques aside) Undoubtedly, my main concern would be efficiency over cost-effectiveness. With this being said, I have a relatively small room (roughly 8x10) that I would like to be able to use to its full potential.

 

I do not have a preference as far as brands or products, but I am a firm believer in the saying "you get what you pay for."

 

If there are any other more experienced builders or growers who are willing to assist in this project, I would be more than willing to compensate them for their time, effort, and knowledge. If not, all tips and advise given here will be greatly appreciated. 

 

Thanks in advance

 

-AENID

some things come to mind first...like a dehumidifier, air conditioner, heat, air scrubbers.

 

I was a cg for 5 patients inside of my 8x10 office. I used grow tents of different sizes, situated into a maze in the room. it functioned well but.........work space was non existent. This may or may not be an issue for you. Growing in dirt may change your mind for example, and growing in hydro may make up your mind for good. Both give superb results and both require very different growing habits. I loved my hydro set up in my tents, but I didnt love the leaks or floods in there for sure. I had no other issues but when I put a five galon bucket with some organic crumbles in it I knew the score(for me) and decided to change up build another building and put my sealed rooms inside of one end of it. This afforded me plenty of space for working, storage, mixing stations, recycling, etc all outside of my home and outside of my grow space, a very important aspect for me.

I had to start from scratch out there, 200 amp wiring, fire control, electrical inspections insulation, sound control, odor control, ventilating the work space, cooling heating c02 generating etc.  I could still do what I do indoors but it would be difficult in dirt.

 

I started with a budget and some pics from magazines, and of course my beloved grow bible. I havent looked at it in five years though....lol.

Beginning with super controls is key, light controller, good ballasts, quality ac and dehuey, 220 baseboard heat, air movement, digi thermo's etc.  I have not changed one control in my rooms since I built the room, I set it, and then I forgot about it. No need to chase settings when the right ones are chosen first. Dont try to "save money" buy reducing heat or increasing humidity, etc, ...not worth it.

dont chince out on controls or genetics. After your first harvest you'll see you might have been tripping over dollars to pick up nickels, like the rest of us in the planning stage. Electricity is the most troubling cost of growing indoors and not much you can do about that.....except insulate/heat/cool properly. There are no grow room tricks and none for growing cannabis, dont try any if you heae of one. if tricks worked they wouldnt be tricks, instead, just the way its done.

dont ever accept a clone from someone, dont ever allow someone else in your grow space. Install grow cams if you want to brag, or brag to me online.

with precious plant numbers being an issue you can skip the mothers and clone from a clone form a clone etc...., get good at cloning, buy bleach spray and clean your tools and cutting board/scalpel/scissors.

Seeds are the perfect way to begin growing cannabis. Each step along the way is most relevant to the remainder of the plants' life. Observing these changes along the way will serve you well into your future. If you're in a rush, you lose, if you think you'll do more than pay for your costs legally, maybe buy some cool glass and new tires every few years........for your troubles, risks......you lose.  

In a few minutes you'll be a pro grower and find patient management to be your job, not growing cannabis. Good luck with that....be safe, do not compromise your standards.

most of all dont lose sight of the beautiful wonders of this miracle plant. Get to know her well, talk to her, listen to her. she will be a most important part of humanity, as she always has. Remember, some have been hunted, beaten, robbed, terrorized, arrested, jailed and even killed......just for doing what you're considering.

 

Be Well

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Remember out of that 8x10 room your going to need two spaces one for flower another for veg and clones here is a short list of what you will need

 

1 or 2 1000 watt ballasts and hoods plus 2 inline fans to cool the hoods also depending on location of your grow carbon filters for smell

 

Either T 5 fluorescent or T 8 fixtures for veg and a stand or wall mounted fan to promote air circulation in both rooms

 

Either a portable ac unit or a mini split ac  its going to get hot in the summer

 

Panda film and plastic to cover the floor of the grow room  panda film white side out on the walls 

 

Thermometer to know the heat and humidity in the room

 

PH Pen to know the PH levels or your water

 

This is a start you can get underway and add on as you go you can choose to build a temporary wall between the  growth areas or just get a  tarp to keep the light separate from the flower room remember it must be light tight any leaks you  might have hermie issues.

 

Sound advise. I've considered sectioning or partitioning-off a part of the room to have a separate veg and bud space. As for the "wall" separating the two areas, I'm unsure if a tarp or drywall would be best? I don't want Herm!! :unsure:

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I use a plastic curtain(forgot the name of the stuff) and hung it in an "S" shape, so I can walk from room to room without doors and fuss. I built to 11 fot ceilings, thinking trees, silly me, any over 5 feet are always troublesome indoors for me. Resources are gobbled quickly at that size and other plants suffer. nailed to the floor and the ceiling, lasted forever so far, I'll do it again when/if it falls.

 

my plastic is white on one and black on the other side

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What kind of setup do you want to run? Pots and soilless, flood tables, modular flood buckets, rwdc buckets etc. is it in a basement or bedroom? Perpetual? More importantly what is your ceiling hieght?

 

I'm leaning more towards pots and soil. I have a a spare room in my basement (finished) that I plan on converting. Ideally, I would like a perpetual cycle, harvesting every month. Ceilings are roughly 7 to 8 ft tall. (Dropped)

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Vent up top where heat gets trapped. Ventilation, circulation, and air intake are often slightly overlooked.

 

Osb as a room divider.

 

2000w in an 8x10 (or smaller if building a veg room) is overkill imo. 1000w or two 600w is great.

 

Seal it, paint it or panda film, timer, ac, dehu, and meters of sorts and you're good.

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one 12000 btu keeps my 400sq ft room(s) below 80 year round, sealed room, no outside ventilation, cept the entrance door in/out. it does run often, and used to pizz me off in the middle of the winter, but I learned. I used to use outdoor air...for about 2 weeks in first winter. sealed works very well for me, but I think c02 augmentation is essential, inside my home I did not augment and saw no issues.

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May i call you alley for short (even tho you resemble a venerated greek philosopher of 3 milleniums back)?

i love and respect (and have met) KD but this advice is wrong, tho it is traditional, classically traditional advice. You make a big point that you want 'efficiency.'  As in, how to get the most great bud for the least labor, time and disappointment?  Then build your 80 square feet as one great flower space, and buy clones from the clone jockey with the bestest reputation you can locate. If you are in Detroit, I can guide you to him (and his price is $7 each for plants 8-9 inches tall) !!!!!!!!!   Flower them the day you bring them home, and in roughly 2 months you have bud on every plant under your roof and on your card.  Versus half your plants being budless cuttings and mothers and vegging plants useless for buds now: which i define as half-azzzzzzzzzzzzzz  super inefficiency.  Stagger your buys with periods between.  This children, is how to use 80 square feet like a pro.  Nothing derogatory intended to anyone (except traditional production schemes).

 

I'm in the last stages of my second modest grow, clones from the first grow which were started from bag seed. It's been successful far beyond my original expectations (I've been OCD with keeping records and will be posting a grow journal summary one of these days). Not going to be growing over the summer but when I resume operations, I'll likely be taking your advice and will start from reliable clones, skipping the 2+ months of vegging from seed. There is obviously no single strategy that fits everyone's needs, but your advice is probably the best for my situation. 

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May i call you alley for short (even tho you resemble a venerated greek philosopher of 3 milleniums back)?

i love and respect (and have met) KD but this advice is wrong, tho it is traditional, classically traditional advice. You make a big point that you want 'efficiency.'  As in, how to get the most great bud for the least labor, time and disappointment?  Then build your 80 square feet as one great flower space, and buy clones from the clone jockey with the bestest reputation you can locate. If you are in Detroit, I can guide you to him (and his price is $7 each for plants 8-9 inches tall) !!!!!!!!!   Flower them the day you bring them home, and in roughly 2 months you have bud on every plant under your roof and on your card.  Versus half your plants being budless cuttings and mothers and vegging plants useless for buds now: which i define as half-azzzzzzzzzzzzzz  super inefficiency.  Stagger your buys with periods between.  This children, is how to use 80 square feet like a pro.  Nothing derogatory intended to anyone (except traditional production schemes).

 

Right on, PB. And you can call me whatever you want. Just don't call me asking to borrow $$$!! :P  As for your take on the matter, that actually was my first game plan. I planned on just using my 80 sqft. simply as a flowering room, but lacked the honest resources to obtain quality clones. You are also spot on with your analysis of what I meant by efficiency. I am really trying to avoid time consuming disappointments. Thus my need for counsel. Thanks for the tips.

 

P.S. A guide to Cloney Land would be helpful!! :))

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if this is your first time growing,,prepare your self for disappointments, and failures.. LOL its just part of the beast. unless some one holds your hand fo that first grow mistakes will happen. does to everyone.. good luck with what ever you decide.. but hold back cash for the original suggestions . :) first rule of thumb is ,,, there are no short cuts.

 

One complete harvest will likely put you over your limits.. thats the reason there is a perpetual garden.. even if you get one oz a plant, course that depends how many plants you put in...but one harvest you gotta wait again for 2+ months for another harvest.

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Right on, PB. And you can call me whatever you want. Just don't call me asking to borrow $$$!! :P As for your take on the matter, that actually was my first game plan. I planned on just using my 80 sqft. simply as a flowering room, but lacked the honest resources to obtain quality clones. You are also spot on with your analysis of what I meant by efficiency. I am really trying to avoid time consuming disappointments. Thus my need for counsel. Thanks for the tips.

 

P.S. A guide to Cloney Land would be helpful!! :))

Clones are easy once you've done it a few times.

 

Cut your branch leaving several nodes above and below the cut and place them in water;

Next take a razor blade and slice at an angle just above one of the lower nodes;

Remove some, but not all of the higher leaves and such;

You may want to scrape the stem a little with the razor near your slice location;

Dip in cloning gel or aloe water;

Place in rooter plugs or a small cup of wet soil mix;

Cover, heating mat underneath, 10 days and you're good.

 

Be sure to keep things moist without saturating. Spray with water every few days and check the plugs/cups.

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I do not have the experience those who have already replied have and just want to say, don't cut corners.

Plan your space ahead of time.  Purchase what you will need and get it set up.  You can 'dial' it in once

you are growing.  I really wish I had not tried to piece meal my room as it has been over 2 years now

putting this together with out a full harvest.  Some of my issues were of my own making as I was learning

of course but many could have been avoided if I had planned things out better and bought what I needed

up front.

 

I find cloning very easy and vegging is mostly a breeze.  I fail in flower for several reasons. 

 

There are places and reputable patients/ cg's where you can get clones however.

 

 

I wish you the best.

 

Let us know how it goes.

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