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I had a patent ask me about oils and wax.  As a licensed caregiver way I read it all wax and oils are considered illegal correct?  controlled substance? 

I know many do it regardless can anyone ring in on this?  I told the patent I can furnish them bud and leaves what they do with it is up to them. 

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I had a patent ask me about oils and wax.  As a licensed caregiver way I read it all wax and oils are considered illegal correct?  controlled substance? 

I know many do it regardless can anyone ring in on this?  I told the patent I can furnish them bud and leaves what they do with it is up to them. 

 

I am a caregiver who used to make these preparations for myself and my patients. I even considered only providing these preparations and not buds. until.......

I learned that the mere possession, not to mention the manufacturing of these is trouble at this time. I ceased producing or providing oils/medibles or any other than buds. I believe our ability to easily and cheaply  produce real medicine from an herbal ancient healer, the way the ancients have done it for thousands of years, the way it is even described in biblical detail as THE anointing healing oil, represents a higher consciousness, and greatly threatens the ability of those in power to continue oppressing us with among other devices, unobtainable chemical synthesized drugs that the average person cannot afford.  The earth provides us with all we need of course, but big pharma/monsanto must patent these naturals in order to profit. for now much profit comes by way of imprisoning cannabis users instead while they figure out how to patent these preps, then  they'll get us for patent infringements as well, enforced by Homeland Security btw.

 

I would defend a possession of oil charge today IF  I didnt know courts often deny a patents rights to even mention medical marijuana or my card possession or my medical issues, possibly resulting in disallowing my medical defense altogether, making my growing/manufacturing/possession/delivery of authorized medical marijuana illegal also. I hate plea bargaining for the sake of money savings, but if you dont have any money to pay a lawyer, an dyou dont have the time to spend in jail....dont possess oils today.

 

my opinions are mine, so take them with a grain of salt.

An excellent 1st post ! 

Welcome to the forum

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I would defend a possession of oil charge today IF  I didnt know courts often deny a patents rights to even mention medical marijuana or my card possession or my medical issues, possibly resulting in disallowing my medical defense altogether, making my growing/manufacturing/possession/delivery of authorized medical marijuana illegal also. I hate plea bargaining for the sake of money savings, but if you dont have any money to pay a lawyer, an dyou dont have the time to spend in jail....dont possess oils today.

 

my opinions are mine, so take them with a grain of salt.

An excellent 1st post ! 

Welcome to the forum

 And here in lies the problem.... 

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I had a patent ask me about oils and wax.  As a licensed caregiver way I read it all wax and oils are considered illegal correct?  controlled substance? 

I know many do it regardless can anyone ring in on this?  I told the patent I can furnish them bud and leaves what they do with it is up to them. 

 

You have the solution.

Let them make it themselves. What they do with the product you provide to them is their business as long as they are not making it your problem.

 

The only other alternative as a caregiver to where I will make the concentrate for a patient is:

Rule #1 I will only supply it to them at no cost

Rule #2 the patient must have a terminal illness, like cancer.

Those are my rules. Anything else, I just point them to my blogs along with other quality sites like SkumkPharms that have quality information regarding concentrates.

 

One exception would be for a family member or someone I trust 110%.

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I just wanted some feedback I can share so they can read for themselves the pro's ancd cons and Risk's

I do supply at cost or free to patients if need be in certain cases 50% or less then most pay . This is what is wrong with our system

those who can least afford normally go without in the sick care industry .

I appreciate all your great suggestions and will discuss with my patient today.

Way I see it if I had stage 4 cancer and thought oils would work I could give a rat's donkey If I were arrested. 

that said I would need to be certain I was not risking family or friends in the process.

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As I mentioned previously Detroit area dispensaries currently don't sell concentrates. I've made a little RSO before, but that is less demanding than oil for a vape pen. Saw GG's posts about making oil and was wondering if any of you other michiganders have a tried & true method. Basically, I'll be doing qwiso wash with 99% ipa and PG for making it pen friendly. The only real debate in my mind is: how long to do the wash (I've seen anything from 30 seconds to a couple minutes) & should it be a one shot deal or should I do subsequent washes & how many/for how long.

 

Thanks for any advice; 

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As I mentioned previously Detroit area dispensaries currently don't sell concentrates. I've made a little RSO before, but that is less demanding than oil for a vape pen. Saw GG's posts about making oil and was wondering if any of you other michiganders have a tried & true method. Basically, I'll be doing qwiso wash with 99% ipa and PG for making it pen friendly. The only real debate in my mind is: how long to do the wash (I've seen anything from 30 seconds to a couple minutes) & should it be a one shot deal or should I do subsequent washes & how many/for how long.

 

Thanks for any advice; 

 

There are many variables to be considered. 

 

For instance, the strain is very important. Also, how the strain reacts to the alcohol being used. One strain may work great with iso, but not so much with grain alcohol and vice verse.

 

So, let's assume you have a strain that works well with the iso you plan to use. How long of a wash? This is only in regards to making oil strictly for vaping. Approximately a 30 second, frozen wash would be sufficient providing that the buds are so dry that they immediately crumble when shaking the mixture of buds and alcohol in a jar. One wash will produce the best oil for vaping. Depending on the strain you may be able to also use a second and third wash and have the end product come out well. I like to keep my washes separate. I will dedicate the first wash for vaping. The second, third, and potentially a fourth for ingesting after allowing it to naturally decarb.

 

Here's a little tip if you want your oil from the first wash to come out super clean. Allow it to sit in a glass (pyrex baking pan) for at least an hour with no fan blowing across it so it will settle (keep in mind, much of the sediment are terpenes that sink). Then, carefully use a 10mL syringe and suck off the top layer to where you don't get any sediment and transfer into a clean pyrex (or similar) dish.  Add the solution with the sediment into the dish with the second/third wash solution so there is no waste. Then finish the air drying process with a fan for each dish.

 

When the alcohol has evaporated your QWISO is ready for mixing. Take a small amount of the QWISO and place into a large spoon or small metal or glass cup (a shot glass works well). Use kosher PG/USP and mix by hand (toothpick, small syringe, etc) as much as possible. Try to avoid using heat if possible. If you are lucky, you won't need any heat. Store the remaining clean QWISO in a syringe or small jar/vial until ready to mix another batch for the vaporizer. I have found this method to give me the most clean, high quality vape oil that I have ever tried.

 

For the second/third wash product. I prefer to allow that to naturally decarb and use it for ingesting. You will probably want to winterize it to remove the sediment.

 

Any heat whatsoever, say good by to essential terpenes. Night and day difference and it is not easy to keep the terpenes. This is more in regards to ingesting and topical uses speaking of terpenes.

 

I don't care what the science behind the terpenes is. It is a night and day difference. I have experienced it hands on.

 

The above method worked very well for me. I sure wish I had some more right now!

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There are many variables to be considered. 

 

For instance, the strain is very important. Also, how the strain reacts to the alcohol being used. One strain may work great with iso, but not so much with grain alcohol and vice verse.

 

So, let's assume you have a strain that works well with the iso you plan to use. How long of a wash? This is only in regards to making oil strictly for vaping. Approximately a 30 second, frozen wash would be sufficient providing that the buds are so dry that they immediately crumble when shaking the mixture of buds and alcohol in a jar. One wash will produce the best oil for vaping. Depending on the strain you may be able to also use a second and third wash and have the end product come out well. I like to keep my washes separate. I will dedicate the first wash for vaping. The second, third, and potentially a fourth for ingesting after allowing it to naturally decarb.

 

Here's a little tip if you want your oil from the first wash to come out super clean. Allow it to sit in a glass (pyrex baking pan) for at least an hour with no fan blowing across it so it will settle (keep in mind, much of the sediment are terpenes that sink). Then, carefully use a 10mL syringe and suck off the top layer to where you don't get any sediment and transfer into a clean pyrex (or similar) dish.  Add the solution with the sediment into the dish with the second/third wash solution so there is no waste. Then finish the air drying process with a fan for each dish.

 

When the alcohol has evaporated your QWISO is ready for mixing. Take a small amount of the QWISO and place into a large spoon or small metal or glass cup (a shot glass works well). Use kosher PG/USP and mix by hand (toothpick, small syringe, etc) as much as possible. Try to avoid using heat if possible. If you are lucky, you won't need any heat. Store the remaining clean QWISO in a syringe or small jar/vial until ready to mix another batch for the vaporizer. I have found this method to give me the most clean, high quality vape oil that I have ever tried.

 

For the second/third wash product. I prefer to allow that to naturally decarb and use it for ingesting. You will probably want to winterize it to remove the sediment.

 

Any heat whatsoever, say good by to essential terpenes. Night and day difference and it is not easy to keep the terpenes. This is more in regards to ingesting and topical uses speaking of terpenes.

 

I don't care what the science behind the terpenes is. It is a night and day difference. I have experienced it hands on.

 

The above method worked very well for me. I sure wish I had some more right now!

Hey GG, Have you ever done a 30 second shake with Iso and switched to grain alcohol for the 2nd and 3rd for medibles?

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Hey GG, Have you ever done a 30 second shake with Iso and switched to grain alcohol for the 2nd and 3rd for medibles?

 

No I have not. I just use the same solvent throughout with the exception of winterizing. I will do the iso wash, then winterize with grain alcohol for vaporizing. I don't ingest winterized concentrates.

 

I do 30 second washes though.

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I found that I prefer a larger vessel for qwiso so the plant matter is not tightly packed.  I use an old 3 wick glass candle jar that

has a tight fitting yet not screw on lid. 30 seconds (or so) shake worked very well.

Shaking too much longer allowed for more plant matter in the strainer, not more trichomes.  I've not done a 2nd or 3rd wash.

I also pour my iso out of the bottle into a large mouth container (measuring cup works) prior to transfer to plant material and pop

it back in the freezer while I prepare for the process. 

It can take up to 30 sec + just to pour iso from the bottle, in the mean time everything is thawing!

 

 

Good luck all... and... be safe (iso is flammable).

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I used a nylon stocking over a mason jar as a first filter for my QWISO wash. After a little evaporation, the small pieces that got through congealed together and I removed.

 

Then poured the mostly clear looking solution through a coffee filter. After completely dry, I scraped the filter clean; it's like a very sticky hash. Haven't tried it, but I'm gonna assume that it will be worth consuming.

 

The remainder is now evaporating in a 1/4 cup metal cup.

 

GG suggested sucking off the top clear layer after sediment has settled but in this case there are some small dark areas swirling around on top. I could try to suck out the alcohol mixture below, but probably won't bother.

 

For the future, does anyone have suggestions for a good low tech filtering system? 

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Paper coffee filters, but they will pick up some small amount of oil, so they are not great for smaller runs. But if you filter right after extraction, before any evaporation, you will lose very little oil.

coffee filters and some patience! Depending on how much by-product is worked off during mixing, filtering can be painstakingly slow. This is not a job for those who like to watch and tinker.

 

Wet

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I used a nylon stocking over a mason jar as a first filter for my QWISO wash. After a little evaporation, the small pieces that got through congealed together and I removed.

 

Then poured the mostly clear looking solution through a coffee filter. After completely dry, I scraped the filter clean; it's like a very sticky hash. Haven't tried it, but I'm gonna assume that it will be worth consuming.

 

The remainder is now evaporating in a 1/4 cup metal cup.

 

GG suggested sucking off the top clear layer after sediment has settled but in this case there are some small dark areas swirling around on top. I could try to suck out the alcohol mixture below, but probably won't bother.

 

For the future, does anyone have suggestions for a good low tech filtering system? 

 

I wouldnt use the result. Nylon may not be a good choice.   hash bags cheap. amazon sells micron lids that fit five gl pails too. http://partners.coleparmer.com/techinfo/chemcompresults.asp

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The nylon stocking was a first filter that trapped the big stuff.  I looked here and it said that nylon 6.6 does not decompose in isoalcohol: http://www.plasticsintl.com/plastics_chemical_resistence_chart.html. Also here, which says that nylon has satisfactory resistance to alcohol: http://rfelektronik.se/manuals/Datasheets/solventguide.pdf

 

So I'm puzzled by the cole-palmer link that grassmatch provided, even though it states that the incompatibility is based on 48 hours of exposure. In any event, this portion of the filtering was a quick pour though for perhaps a minute total, so I'm not worried. But next time I'll get some stainless steel mesh.

 

The second filter was a coffee filter. These generally have 20 micron pores. But still there was some dark floaty material left.

 

I wasn't making a large batch, but it still took a while to go through the coffee filter. If I up my production, I'll look into a vacuum method.

 

Hmmm, I wonder if my Aerobie Aeropress would work well??

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I found that an easy (but slow) way to filter without a vacuum setup is to use two canning jars. Using a small-mouth jar, add the material and solvent, put in the cap and ring, then shake. Remove the cap and ring, place a coffee filter or cheese cloth over the top of the jar, then screw on the ring. Then turn the jar upside down and place the mouth of the jar into the mouth of a large-mouth jar. Then wait.

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I found that an easy (but slow) way to filter without a vacuum setup is to use two canning jars. Using a small-mouth jar, add the material and solvent, put in the cap and ring, then shake. Remove the cap and ring, place a coffee filter or cheese cloth over the top of the jar, then screw on the ring. Then turn the jar upside down and place the mouth of the jar into the mouth of a large-mouth jar. Then wait.

 

Cheese cloth for a first filter maybe. But if you use a coffee filter, the herb is going to be soaking in the ISO a long time while it very very slowly filters out.

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Cheese cloth for a first filter maybe. But if you use a coffee filter, the herb is going to be soaking in the ISO a long time while it very very slowly filters out.

That's a good point. I forgot to add an important step. Take a small-mouth cap and poke a bunch of small holes in it. Use that as the first filter then run it through a finer filter.

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