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Bill 4210 says you are allowed "a combined total of 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana and usable marihuana equivalents"

C. For purposes of determining usable marihuana equivalency, the following shall be considered equivalent to 1 ounce of usable marihuana:

     (1) 16 ounces of marihuana-infused product if in a solid form.

     (2) 7 grams of marihuana-infused product if in a gaseous form.

     (3) 36 fluid ounces of marihuana-infused product if in a liquid form.

 

It seems straightforward on the face of it (other than the mythical gaseous form) but I was wondering how LEO and The Court of Appeals will twist it.

 

Does 16 oz. of oil infused in 20 oz. of glycerin sound legal under this bill?

How about 4 oz. of hash in a box of brownie mix?

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Bill 4210 says you are allowed "a combined total of 2.5 ounces of usable marihuana and usable marihuana equivalents"

 

C. For purposes of determining usable marihuana equivalency, the following shall be considered equivalent to 1 ounce of usable marihuana:

 

     (1) 16 ounces of marihuana-infused product if in a solid form.

     (2) 7 grams of marihuana-infused product if in a gaseous form.

     (3) 36 fluid ounces of marihuana-infused product if in a liquid form.

 

It seems straightforward on the face of it (other than the mythical gaseous form) but I was wondering how LEO and The Court of Appeals will twist it.

 

Does 16 oz. of oil infused in 20 oz. of glycerin sound legal under this bill?

How about 4 oz. of hash in a box of brownie mix?

I think gaseous is supposed to take care of things like inhalers...

 

the 16 oz of oil in 20 oz of glycerin should be fine and count as 1 oz equivalent since the law doesn't address potency at all.    Technically,  RSO or BHO is a liquid by all scientific definitions.  Glass is a liquid, so is RSO.  Left at room temperature it does flow and make different shapes, albeit slowly, it does.  I am not going to test this one, but in reality, 35 oz of RSO in 1 oz of glycerin is legal according to the words of this and counts as 1 oz...  It is an infused product, and is a liquid...

 

This part of the law is exactly what happens when law makers ignore science and create laws.  It is just idiocracy.

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Extracts count directly towards usable limit. 2.5oz

 

"Usable marihuana" means the dried leaves, and

13 flowers, PLANT RESIN, OR EXTRACT of the marihuana plant, and any

14 mixture or preparation thereof, but does not include the seeds,

15 stalks, and roots of the plant.

 

Gaseous form is just idiotic.  What happened was they went to Washington state and copied a bill that was introduced there that had the amounts shown as we see there for equivalents for marihuana infused products.  Well, Washington state was smart enough to fix their language before passing their bill.  Michigan, just clueless.  We tried to fix it, even made fun of them in person about gaseous. But they have no idea what they are talking about.  They stole flawed language in a draft bill from another state.  Not a single person could explain what it meant when asked,.... Heh.

 

Washington changed theirs to 7 grams of oil= 1 oz.  This way in hb 4210 you can have way more oil anyhow.  17.5g under Washington law if we had fixed it. Now you can have 70.87grams of extract.

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It seems like the weight listings are the total weights, not just the infused portion, correct?  So, if a patient had a pan of brownies, it could not weigh more than 40 ounces total or the patient would be exceeding his weight limit.  

 

And how does this work with the tracking system?  If a brownie weighs 4 ounces, they would count that as a 1/4 ounce in the tracking system.  I would be limited to 10 brownies at a time, would this be per day or week or month.

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Extracts count directly towards usable limit. 2.5oz

 

"Usable marihuana" means the dried leaves, and

13 flowers, PLANT RESIN, OR EXTRACT of the marihuana plant, and any

14 mixture or preparation thereof, but does not include the seeds,

15 stalks, and roots of the plant.

 

Gaseous form is just idiotic.  What happened was they went to Washington state and copied a bill that was introduced there that had the amounts shown as we see there for equivalents for marihuana infused products.  Well, Washington state was smart enough to fix their language before passing their bill.  Michigan, just clueless.  We tried to fix it, even made fun of them in person about gaseous. But they have no idea what they are talking about.  They stole flawed language in a draft bill from another state.  Not a single person could explain what it meant when asked,.... Heh.

 

Washington changed theirs to 7 grams of oil= 1 oz.  This way in hb 4210 you can have way more oil anyhow.  17.5g under Washington law if we had fixed it. Now you can have 70.87grams of extract.

Right extracts are counted directly, which is why I said 1 oz of glycerin in 35 oz of RSO is counted as a liquid as it is a marijuana infused product.  It is not a straight extract, just a highly concentrated one.  Since they don't address potency or concentration, just a marijuana infused product which is liquid, it is 36 oz of infused product, or 1 oz equivalent according to the law.

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I have always wondered about this issue since these amounts were developed.

 

 Like, if you put a Toll House chocolate chip on top of 10 oz of hash,  heh...

 

Exactly how much 'something' must you add until it become an infused product.

 

 

I should stop that discussion... I will just confuse people.

That would just be 10 oz of hash with a topper...  You would have to melt the chocolate, mix it into a really thick "mud" which would make it infused chocolate.  Infused, I am sure will mean it isn't easily separated...  1 chip might not be enough, but you shouldn't be able to tell one from the other.

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c) For purposes of determining usable marihuana equivalency,

the following shall be considered equivalent to 1 ounce of usable

marihuana:

 

(1) 16 ounces of marihuana-infused product if in a solid form.

(2) 7 grams of marihuana-infused product if in a gaseous form.

(3) 36 fluid ounces of marihuana-infused product if in a liquid form.

 

we probably covered this before.. but I forgot again.

 

what if I have 2oz of edible. is that counted as 1oz usable, or do I have to whip out calculator? and do some calculation = usable?

 

anybody have the algebra equations for liquid/solids?

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c) For purposes of determining usable marihuana equivalency,

the following shall be considered equivalent to 1 ounce of usable

marihuana:

 

(1) 16 ounces of marihuana-infused product if in a solid form.

(2) 7 grams of marihuana-infused product if in a gaseous form.

(3) 36 fluid ounces of marihuana-infused product if in a liquid form.

 

we probably covered this before.. but I forgot again.

 

what if I have 2oz of edible. is that counted as 1oz usable, or do I have to whip out calculator? and do some calculation = usable?

 

anybody have the algebra equations for liquid/solids?

 

It seems straight forward, weigh your edible/concentrate.  If your pan of brownies weighs a pound (excluding the pan of course) then you have one ounce of usable marijuana.  So, if you had an ounce of bud, a pound of brownies, and just over a pound of oil - you would be at your limit.

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That last part is not right. Oil is usable marijuana, not usable marijuana equivalent, under HB 4210. You could only have an additional 1/2 ounce of oil.

 

Good catch.  I re-read the bill here and saw where they changed the definition of usable marijuana.

 

 

<<(N)>> (k) "Usable marihuana" means the dried leaves, and

 

flowers, PLANT RESIN, OR EXTRACT of the marihuana plant, and any

 

mixture or preparation thereof, but does not include the seeds,

 

stalks, and roots of the plant.

 

But that brings up a couple of thoughts.  The term oil is ambiguous.  I have infused vegetable oil for cooking and I am pretty sure that would count as an edible.  The fact that I made it from bubble hash would be the usable marijuana in question as I assume bubble hash and BHO would now be considered usable.

 

So if I take X amount of ounces of dried flowers (usable) and make bubble hash with it (usable), the final weight of the hash will be considered usable and not the amount of dried flowers that went into it.

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That last part is not right. Oil is usable marijuana, not usable marijuana equivalent, under HB 4210. You could only have an additional 1/2 ounce of oil.

 

If you mix 1/2 pound of resin/oil with 1/2 pound of coconut oil, do you now have 1 oz. of MMJ equivalent?

 

Better yet, if you have 1/2 pound of oil, can you mix it with 1/2 pound of alcohol and have just 1oz equivalent?  And if so, could you evaporate small portions of the solution at a time, thereby having a good way to store larger amounts of oil without exceeding limits?

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OK, the concentration is the problem.  If I have 35 oz of BHO/RSO and put it in 1 oz of glycerin, it is infused with glycerin.  But is it MJ Oil infused with glycerin or glycerin infused with MJ oil?  It doesn't say anything that I can find, but does it actually have to be over 1/2 of something else to be counted as liquid?

 

The thing is, I know as far as science goes, MJ oil is already a liquid, just like glass is.  So, it isn't infused, but adding 1 oz of glycerin would then make it an infused product.

 

Anyway, leave it to lansing to make an already ambiguous law even more so...

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is had to be"intended" for non smoking if it's a product.

 

are you intending to smoke or eat or topical your rso?

 

as for solids/liquid it probably will come down to, does it pour or is it a big heavy rock in aluminum foil...

 

Also, don't be the first one in court to test out..

 

I under stand the argument about glass being a liquid, but remember judges are idiots. you show him a coke bottle or reading glasses, he's going to rule those are solids

 

layman liquid is if you flip the container over and the contents drip down at room temperature in a few minutes

 

rso obvious viscous liquid

hash, probably more of a solid depending in dryness

shatter no clue

wax liquid

 

anybody got a full list?

anyone have something official from Washington where this solid liquid stuff came from? rulings? rules? police information training? anything?

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