Anyone Running Undercurrent System?

[garyfisher]

Just as the title says.  Looking for advice possibly.

[phaquetoo]

Every thing is the same today for me as it was last month!

 

Peace

[Willy]

I run a scaled down system..always referred to it as a RDWC but its the same to me..only difference is that i only use one inch lines, not them big donkey ones, and i use a different nutrient system, not organic, house and garden, but each pot is aerated and the water is constantly circulating.. i do wish i had used larger lines to connect my pots..however its the fastest growing, and heaviest harvest I ever got indoors.. IF 2" in pvc lines are a prerequisite. then can't help ya

[trichcycler]

I run a scaled down system..always referred to it as a RDWC but its the same to me..only difference is that i only use one inch lines, not them big donkey ones, and i use a different nutrient system, not organic, house and garden, but each pot is aerated and the water is constantly circulating.. i do wish i had used larger lines to connect my pots..however its the fastest growing, and heaviest harvest I ever got indoors.. IF 2" in pvc lines are a prerequisite. then can't help ya

I concur!  the fastest I've seen too. I couldnt keep up with the high res temps so I stacked it in the rafters moved on to flood/drain, dirt/org

I think aeroponics and bubble buckets are next in line for speed of growth.  I had the same issue in aero(nope, wasnt gonna buy a chiller)

and the humidity was a bummer in the bubblers for me.

[semicaregiver]

Same experience here as others.  Reservoir temp. control was the last straw.   Just one variable too many that can go bad really quick.   

[garyfisher]

a giant 1.5HP chiller fell into my hands and I think i want to use it.  Currently running Titan flow and grow system but having huge issues with root rot.

I bought the 3" uniseals and all the elbows a few years back but never got around to building it.

I see mbferts sells the actual 11gal black buckets that UC use.

[Indigro]

Just because it is free, doesnt make it a good idea.

 

Iv run em, including trying true aero. Think i wasted about a year and a half of my life and 10grand. Not a person i know that tried it has kept up w it. Sounds great in theory, but way too many obstacles to overcome, and the end risk is total crop failure. Even if u do everything u need to do, like running a ferrari at the track... Some bit of tech fails and the car goes down. Fun science experiment, but nothing to rely on imo.

[Restorium2]

Been running this since '09. I use the Earth, geothermal, to control the temps. I run some organic grows too. And some outdoor. It's all good.

[Restorium2]

Just because it is free, doesnt make it a good idea.

 

Iv run em, including trying true aero. Think i wasted about a year and a half of my life and 10grand. Not a person i know that tried it has kept up w it. Sounds great in theory, but way too many obstacles to overcome, and the end risk is total crop failure. Even if u do everything u need to do, like running a ferrari at the track... Some bit of tech fails and the car goes down. Fun science experiment, but nothing to rely on imo.

Not that hard after you get it dialed in. I can run mine on automatic for a couple weeks at a time. 

[Indigro]

Not that hard after you get it dialed in. I can run mine on automatic for a couple weeks at a time.

That is a disconnect for me. I coupdnt imagine running an active, recirc water culture w/o daily checks, and back up gear just waiting for something to fail. Truly a disconnect.

[Restorium2]

That is a disconnect for me. I coupdnt imagine running an active, recirc water culture w/o daily checks, and back up gear just waiting for something to fail. Truly a disconnect.

It's really simple and predictable. The first couple years brought some surprises. Now it just same stuff different day. 

[garyfisher]

I have my Ebb and flow system dialed in to where I can leave for up to 2 weeks and I could leave longer if I set it up for automatic top off.  I just dont trust auto topoff.  The ebb and flow I'm using is very similar to the Undercurrent I'm looking at upgrading to.  My room is completely dialed in with a mini split and gavitas.  I'm very good at DIY projects, complex problem solving and engineering/construction.  

I understand a pump failure would leave a total crop loss but the same would happen with my current ebb and flow.  
I'm also considering adding a "grow-bot" monitoring system which can be used for live video feed as well as total room/system parameters with smart phone alerts if anything is out of spec.

 

Resto:  I like your geothermal concept but unfortunately I'm in a rental house; within the city limits.  I make a large effort to make my home blend in without any weird bunny muffin lying around.  I also think you're a bit futher north than I am.  

The chiller was not free, I purchased it brand new at considerable discount.  That $1000 chiller is begging me to use it now.

[garyfisher]

Resto:  I have 4 of these GH dual diaphram pumps.  Do you think I can use this or should i upgrade to one of the giant air pumps i see people using.

 

 

Edited October 5, 2016 by garyfisher

[Highlander]

Resto: I have 4 of these GH dual diaphram pumps. Do you think I can use this or should i upgrade to one of the giant air pumps i see people using.

 

I used a lot of those pumps. The problem is that they don't do a good job if one airstone gets plugged. The airflow volume just isn't there. Buy the $100 Cadillac pump. You won't regret it.

 

 

[Scarlet_Begonias]

Your getting rot because your water temps are too high, 90+% of the time. Clean the heck out of the equipment and run that chiller at no more than 66. 68 is ok but could be risky. Don't put any nutes in there with a syrupy consistency, gunk up the root ball. Winter is coming so you might not have to run chiller and need a water heater. Pump failure is so rare, wouldn't even worry about it. Have a backup. You have air stones making up for it. Larger air pump is worth it, it will wind up being quieter also. I'd put the air pump and water pump on two different circuits, in case a breaker trips. The stones are like brake pads, they need to be replaced every couple to few grows.

[Indigro]

It's really simple and predictable. The first couple years brought some surprises. Now it just same stuff different day.

Iv thought this for a while, but u r dangerous w giving advice. Feel u def misrepresent information. Some times it is easy for me to reason why. Here i think it is as simple as ego. But u r dangerous.

[Califin]

I ran a DWC (Six 5 gal bucket with 2" PVC built my self) on my first grow ever.... boy was that not smart.  I started the grow in the winter so I completely forgot about buying a chiller, but it wasn't bad until the Spring. I had horrible root rot at around week 4/5 of flower. I was changing the water daily, treating with Hydrogard and Compost teas. The teas ended up clearing out the rot, but the mess it made in the system was awful. They didn't recover much after that, but I sure did learn a lot. 

[Restorium2]

Iv thought this for a while, but u r dangerous w giving advice. Feel u def misrepresent information. Some times it is easy for me to reason why. Here i think it is as simple as ego. But u r dangerous.

An advanced grower is asking questions about an advanced system. No danger to anyone. No bad motives. You said you failed. I'm sorry about that. 

[Indigro]

Yes, it is ego on your part here resto. And since i feel u r reckless in what u r doing, i will take the moment to respond, out of a higher sense to do some good.

 

Here is what ihave know for a long time... U misrepresent your 'expertise' in matters of growing. How do i know this? From real life experience that is beyond what you have. To those that have actually been there and done that... To those that have been through the thought and experience process... What you insist upon is simply false information, and it is overly clear.

 

A big problem w u is a false appeal to authority. You walk around this place coming off as the 'big man' on campus, but truth is u have very limited real life experience in the matters of growing. Or perhaps, what experinece you have is bad experience, and maybe u just dont know any better. Either way, you giving advice based on that limited or bad experience does harm to anyone that follows it. And to make matters worse, this site almost endorses you... As if they have bought into what u r selling... And they have bought into it, so they r compicit in supporting your assumed position of authority. Well, it is bogus.

 

Il give u a another practical example, one that has bothered me for the longest... Your claim that outdoor mj is the answer for michigan, and that it can be grown pristinely outdoors w no chems. You know so very little here, and i feel that u r actually lying, or are so ignorant, that u just dont know any better. And it is all done for your own personal gain. It is self-serving and obviously so to anyone w actual real life experience in these matters. No one really challenges you (because of the reasons stated above), and no one here really actually knows because they havent done it themselves, so you create this myth and perpetuate it. And that will beryboikely benefit you personally, in a finacial sort of way. It is all very obvious.

 

But the truth of the matter, what happens in the real world, is that a climate like michigan can not grow such a crop without serious ipm, and even still, there will be mold outbreaks. How do i know this as absolute fact... It is called real experience backed by real literature and real experiences of every other commercial cropper, be it mj or otherwise. Simple fact is that in much more favorable climates... Guess what... They use ipm and chems, and still grow mold.

 

You say that you grow no mold, none at all, outdoors, with no chems, here in michigan. Somehow, in all the world over, amongst all the farmers that exist, for all the commercial crops we consume... You, and only you, can grow perfect outdoor mj w no chems or mold.

 

Oh my, why yes indeed, you are the authority. You are the expert. You must be so very tallented... Or misrepresenting, or flat out lying, or just plain old ignorant. Or the one and only, the chosen one. Maybe that is it, heh?

 

Only reason i care to dance w u on this is because what you say will cause harm to another person that is less aware. You sir, are a danger to others. Whether or not your intention is to do harm, some unsuspecting person will get hurt following what you insist.

 

Sorry to be a prick, but u need a good smack on the nose on these topics, figuratively that is, so dont get your panties in a wod and narc me out to mommy and daddy, okay?

[Restorium2]

Yes, it is ego on your part here resto. And since i feel u r reckless in what u r doing, i will take the moment to respond, out of a higher sense to do some good.

 

Here is what ihave know for a long time... U misrepresent your 'expertise' in matters of growing. How do i know this? From real life experience that is beyond what you have. To those that have actually been there and done that... To those that have been through the thought and experience process... What you insist upon is simply false information, and it is overly clear.

 

A big problem w u is a false appeal to authority. You walk around this place coming off as the 'big man' on campus, but truth is u have very limited real life experience in the matters of growing. Or perhaps, what experinece you have is bad experience, and maybe u just dont know any better. Either way, you giving advice based on that limited or bad experience does harm to anyone that follows it. And to make matters worse, this site almost endorses you... As if they have bought into what u r selling... And they have bought into it, so they r compicit in supporting your assumed position of authority. Well, it is bogus.

 

Il give u a another practical example, one that has bothered me for the longest... Your claim that outdoor mj is the answer for michigan, and that it can be grown pristinely outdoors w no chems. You know so very little here, and i feel that u r actually lying, or are so ignorant, that u just dont know any better. And it is all done for your own personal gain. It is self-serving and obviously so to anyone w actual real life experience in these matters. No one really challenges you (because of the reasons stated above), and no one here really actually knows because they havent done it themselves, so you create this myth and perpetuate it. And that will beryboikely benefit you personally, in a finacial sort of way. It is all very obvious.

 

But the truth of the matter, what happens in the real world, is that a climate like michigan can not grow such a crop without serious ipm, and even still, there will be mold outbreaks. How do i know this as absolute fact... It is called real experience backed by real literature and real experiences of every other commercial cropper, be it mj or otherwise. Simple fact is that in much more favorable climates... Guess what... They use ipm and chems, and still grow mold.

 

You say that you grow no mold, none at all, outdoors, with no chems, here in michigan. Somehow, in all the world over, amongst all the farmers that exist, for all the commercial crops we consume... You, and only you, can grow perfect outdoor mj w no chems or mold.

 

Oh my, why yes indeed, you are the authority. You are the expert. You must be so very tallented... Or misrepresenting, or flat out lying, or just plain old ignorant. Or the one and only, the chosen one. Maybe that is it, heh?

 

Only reason i care to dance w u on this is because what you say will cause harm to another person that is less aware. You sir, are a danger to others. Whether or not your intention is to do harm, some unsuspecting person will get hurt following what you insist.

 

Sorry to be a prick, but u need a good smack on the nose on these topics, figuratively that is, so dont get your panties in a wod and narc me out to mommy and daddy, okay?

I posted the whole grow in a journal here years ago. Sorry you missed it. It got taken down with about 10,000 other posts I made while you were doing something else. Where were you then?

 

And since you based this whole total chop down story on the fact I'm lying about my grow then your whole mess here is a fabrication. 

 

I'm sorry you failed at something I have mastered. And it's also a sorry thing to have wasted all this time on your BS chop down story here. 

 

How your hater rant about me is supposed to do anyone any good is delusional to say the least. I see trichcycler likes it. Good for you, you have a friend to hate on me with. Enjoy yourself.

[Restorium2]

Been running this since '09. I use the Earth, geothermal, to control the temps. I run some organic grows too. And some outdoor. It's all good.

 

Not that hard after you get it dialed in. I can run mine on automatic for a couple weeks at a time. 

 

It's really simple and predictable. The first couple years brought some surprises. Now it just same stuff different day. 

Maybe you could tell me where I became so dangerous here? I only posted these three lines and you went totally ranty on me. Bad day or what?

[beourbud]

Yes, it is ego on your part here resto. And since i feel u r reckless in what u r doing, i will take the moment to respond, out of a higher sense to do some good.

Here is what ihave know for a long time... U misrepresent your 'expertise' in matters of growing. How do i know this? From real life experience that is beyond what you have. To those that have actually been there and done that... To those that have been through the thought and experience process... What you insist upon is simply false information, and it is overly clear.

A big problem w u is a false appeal to authority. You walk around this place coming off as the 'big man' on campus, but truth is u have very limited real life experience in the matters of growing. Or perhaps, what experinece you have is bad experience, and maybe u just dont know any better. Either way, you giving advice based on that limited or bad experience does harm to anyone that follows it. And to make matters worse, this site almost endorses you... As if they have bought into what u r selling... And they have bought into it, so they r compicit in supporting your assumed position of authority. Well, it is bogus.

Il give u a another practical example, one that has bothered me for the longest... Your claim that outdoor mj is the answer for michigan, and that it can be grown pristinely outdoors w no chems. You know so very little here, and i feel that u r actually lying, or are so ignorant, that u just dont know any better. And it is all done for your own personal gain. It is self-serving and obviously so to anyone w actual real life experience in these matters. No one really challenges you (because of the reasons stated above), and no one here really actually knows because they havent done it themselves, so you create this myth and perpetuate it. And that will beryboikely benefit you personally, in a finacial sort of way. It is all very obvious.

But the truth of the matter, what happens in the real world, is that a climate like michigan can not grow such a crop without serious ipm, and even still, there will be mold outbreaks. How do i know this as absolute fact... It is called real experience backed by real literature and real experiences of every other commercial cropper, be it mj or otherwise. Simple fact is that in much more favorable climates... Guess what... They use ipm and chems, and still grow mold.

You say that you grow no mold, none at all, outdoors, with no chems, here in michigan. Somehow, in all the world over, amongst all the farmers that exist, for all the commercial crops we consume... You, and only you, can grow perfect outdoor mj w no chems or mold.

Oh my, why yes indeed, you are the authority. You are the expert. You must be so very tallented... Or misrepresenting, or flat out lying, or just plain old ignorant. Or the one and only, the chosen one. Maybe that is it, heh?

Only reason i care to dance w u on this is because what you say will cause harm to another person that is less aware. You sir, are a danger to others. Whether or not your intention is to do harm, some unsuspecting person will get hurt following what you insist.

Sorry to be a prick, but u need a good smack on the nose on these topics, figuratively that is, so dont get your panties in a wod and narc me out to mommy and daddy, okay?

Lol, A swing and a miss.

Dangerous? Lol

 

Hey I feel neglected, what about me?

Sounds more like You been there but just couldn't make it work.

Sometimes you gotta think outside of the box, er Grow Room

Edited October 6, 2016 by beourbud

[Restorium2]

Lol, A swing and a miss.

Dangerous? Lol

 

Hey I feel neglected, what about me?

Sounds more like You been there but just couldn't make it work.

Sometimes you gotta think outside of the box, er Grow Room

I think some of it was about you. lol 

[beourbud]

I know right?

 

I don't recall anyone ever claiming pristine bud, cept tricycle.

[Restorium2]

I know right?

 

I don't recall anyone ever claiming pristine bud, cept tricycle.

I think you are on to something there .......