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#1 william7

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Posted 10 June 2017 - 10:51 AM

As Wild Bill suggested, here's a thread for showing where to go to sign the petition. I signed the petition at Grow Masters in Menominee. Their address is: 2900 10th St, Menominee, MI 49858.

 

The man running the store gave me the leaflet below about a cannabis legalization meeting to be held locally. He said it was from NORML.

 

He also advised me that a lot of signatures were rejected for the 2016 petition because people didn't write their names exactly as they appeared in the voter registration. He said many people were too high when they signed. 

 

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#2 Restorium2

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 09:17 AM

He said many people were too high when they signed.

 

Sounds like he was a fountain of ignorance spewing forth upon you. So much so you were still sopping wet and dripping with his ignorance as you posted here.  



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Posted 11 June 2017 - 12:12 PM

I guess they were really strick on the 2016 petition and invalidated many signatures for missing things like their middle name. The guy told me your name had to appear identical to the way it was on the voter registration. Even back in the 1970s on the mediocre weed we had, we might have forgot to add our middle name or middle initial. When the guy told me this I went home and got my letter giving notice I was registered to vote to make sure. This guy who told this was young - probably in his late 20s - and a medical marijuana user himself. 


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Posted 11 June 2017 - 12:58 PM

He said many people were too high when they signed.

 

Sounds like he was a fountain of ignorance spewing forth upon you. So much so you were still sopping wet and dripping with his ignorance as you posted here.  

 

Did you sign the petition yet?



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Posted 11 June 2017 - 12:58 PM

I guess they were really strick on the 2016 petition and invalidated many signatures for missing things like their middle name. The guy told me your name had to appear identical to the way it was on the voter registration. Even back in the 1970s on the mediocre weed we had, we might have forgot to add our middle name or middle initial. When the guy told me this I went home and got my letter giving notice I was registered to vote to make sure. This guy who told this was young - probably in his late 20s - and a medical marijuana user himself. 

To say that people's signatures are not qualifying because they were too high is pure ignorance with a twist of negativity that we don't need. 

 

Most everyone is going to sign their name the same either way, high or not. It's not like being drunk. 

 

The fact is that a lot of people don't sign their name like it is on the voter records. Nothing to do with being high. 

 

I like the informational aspect of telling people they need to sign like on the voter records. That is very useful. But the 'too high to sign right' is simply from someone who is either very ignorant, or wants to be negative about people who use cannabis. Or a stupid joke. Take your pick. 



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Posted 11 June 2017 - 12:59 PM

Did you sign the petition yet?

Not yet. And I will sign it the same way no matter how much cannabis I consume. Got it?



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Posted 11 June 2017 - 02:47 PM

To say that people's signatures are not qualifying because they were too high is pure ignorance with a twist of negativity that we don't need.

Most everyone is going to sign their name the same either way, high or not. It's not like being drunk.

The fact is that a lot of people don't sign their name like it is on the voter records. Nothing to do with being high.

I like the informational aspect of telling people they need to sign like on the voter records. That is very useful. But the 'too high to sign right' is simply from someone who is either very ignorant, or wants to be negative about people who use cannabis. Or a stupid joke. Take your pick.


All true. When I was a kid, we applied for passports. I was only 8. My dad sat me down to sign the docs and then was very disappointed because I signed just my middle initial rather than my full middle name, so we had to redo the application. My mom stepped in and told me to always sign my full name on any document, that way I wouldn't forget and sign it wrong.

That said, my first name is "Michael." I lever liked that name much and have signed most legal documents in my adult life with the name I go by, "mike." My credit accounts show "mike" as an alias. And sometimes I sign just "M" with no middle name and the surname signed. Sometimes, when depositing checks into my bank account, I just sign with a scribbled "M.-.-.-S". I've never had an issue with that either.

So I can see where some folks aren't recognizing the need for a petition signature to match some standard. And many might not even know if their full name is on their Voter ID or just a middle initial or nothing pertaining to a middle name at all.

I think a lot of this comes down to people trying to disqualify votes. Republicans know that the more votes = the worst outcome for them. So they do anything possible to disqualify voters.
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#8 william7

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 02:49 PM

Some people might not be as sharp as you Restorium2 and being stoned might compound their lack of thinking skills a bit. Again, the young man, an employee of the Grow Masters shop which openly advocates the growing of cannabis and sells supplies for doing so, who is a medical marijuana user himself provided me the information. You might want to take the matter up with him. https://www.facebook...row.Masters.MI/


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Posted 11 June 2017 - 03:40 PM

Some people might not be as sharp as you Restorium2 and being stoned might compound their lack of thinking skills a bit. Again, the young man, an employee of the Grow Masters shop which openly advocates the growing of cannabis and sells supplies for doing so, who is a medical marijuana user himself provided me the information. You might want to take the matter up with him. https://www.facebook...row.Masters.MI/

Plenty of stupid out there. Don't blame cannabis. Just take my advice and move on from that way of thinking. You will go far. 

You have your choice to not get high. Just be careful with the feelings of others who enjoy it. Cannabis doesn't make you stupid, hate does.



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Posted 11 June 2017 - 03:43 PM

All true. When I was a kid, we applied for passports. I was only 8. My dad sat me down to sign the docs and then was very disappointed because I signed just my middle initial rather than my full middle name, so we had to redo the application. My mom stepped in and told me to always sign my full name on any document, that way I wouldn't forget and sign it wrong.

That said, my first name is "Michael." I lever liked that name much and have signed most legal documents in my adult life with the name I go by, "mike." My credit accounts show "mike" as an alias. And sometimes I sign just "M" with no middle name and the surname signed. Sometimes, when depositing checks into my bank account, I just sign with a scribbled "M.-.-.-S". I've never had an issue with that either.

So I can see where some folks aren't recognizing the need for a petition signature to match some standard. And many might not even know if their full name is on their Voter ID or just a middle initial or nothing pertaining to a middle name at all.

I think a lot of this comes down to people trying to disqualify votes. Republicans know that the more votes = the worst outcome for them. So they do anything possible to disqualify voters.

And actually disqualify people who are high signing these petitions. It's dehumanizing to say people who are high can't function well enough to sign their name properly. Next they will take away our right to vote because we vote high. 



#11 Restorium2

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 03:47 PM

Some people might not be as sharp as you Restorium2 and being stoned might compound their lack of thinking skills a bit. Again, the young man, an employee of the Grow Masters shop which openly advocates the growing of cannabis and sells supplies for doing so, who is a medical marijuana user himself provided me the information. You might want to take the matter up with him. https://www.facebook...row.Masters.MI/

If you are going to post important things then It's your job to spot a stupidass comment and don't pass it on. Take it for what it is. If you parrot it here then you are just as bad. 


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Posted 11 June 2017 - 03:52 PM

And actually disqualify people who are high signing these petitions. It's dehumanizing to say people who are high can't function well enough to sign their name properly. Next they will take away our right to vote because we vote high.


Right. And we've already seen courts take the position that possession of a MMJ card is evidence of likely MJ use. What a terrible leap of assumptions. So what's next, having an Rx for pain meds means you're usually high? And aren't qualified to have enough judgement to vote? It's all just a sham/scam to try to suppress votes from the poor, sick, and downtrodden.
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#13 william7

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 03:52 PM

The only reason I mentioned what the young man told me was to help people think more carefully when signing the petition. I would like to see everybody have the right to grow and use cannabis as they see fit. Many users of cannabis use other drugs as well (I never knew anyone who just smoked cannabis when I was a kid). May be the people signing the petition should give it a rest for the day they sign.



#14 william7

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 04:02 PM

If you are going to post important things then It's your job to spot a stupidass comment and don't pass it on. Take it for what it is. If you parrot it here then you are just as bad. 

 

If I report opinion information given by another, this doesn't make me as bad as that individual who provided it if you do not agree with that opinion. This isn't logical thinking at all. Your job is to point out how the opinion isn't accurate and to not shoot the messenger. https://en.wikipedia...g_the_messenger. Got it?



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Posted 11 June 2017 - 04:21 PM

This is why petitioners need to be trained. :-)


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Posted 11 June 2017 - 04:22 PM

I thought they were short of signatures for the 6 month period?

 

Did the state even start checking the signatures?

 

Unless something changed recently, name does not have to be exactly as what is on file.

 

I will research and get back with you though.



#17 william7

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 04:30 PM

This is why petitioners need to be trained. :-)

 

Is this what the NORML meeting is all about? Did you get a leaflet in Iron Mountain like I got?



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Posted 11 June 2017 - 04:35 PM

ACCEPTABLE SIGNATURE VARIATIONS
The following variations are acceptable and do not render a petition signature invalid:
 Signature appears as follows: J. Smith; J.B. Smith; Mrs. J. Brown; Mrs. J.B. Brown; Mrs. John Brown.
 Illegible signature.
 Any of the following: signer prints name in entry provided for signature; signer fails to print name in entry provided for printed name; signer enters his or her cursive signature in entry provided for printed name.  (Note: a signature is invalid if signer prints name in entry provided for printed name -- and fails to enter his or her signature in the signature entry.)

While it is not necessary for petition signers to sign their name exactly as it appears on their voter registration record, petition signers should be urged to follow this practice.  This will assist in the verification of the signer’s registration status if necessary.


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#19 william7

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 05:10 PM

ACCEPTABLE SIGNATURE VARIATIONS
The following variations are acceptable and do not render a petition signature invalid:
 Signature appears as follows: J. Smith; J.B. Smith; Mrs. J. Brown; Mrs. J.B. Brown; Mrs. John Brown.
 Illegible signature.
 Any of the following: signer prints name in entry provided for signature; signer fails to print name in entry provided for printed name; signer enters his or her cursive signature in entry provided for printed name.  (Note: a signature is invalid if signer prints name in entry provided for printed name -- and fails to enter his or her signature in the signature entry.)

While it is not necessary for petition signers to sign their name exactly as it appears on their voter registration record, petition signers should be urged to follow this practice.  This will assist in the verification of the signer’s registration status if necessary.

 

This is good news! I'm pretty certain the guy told me it had to be exactly like on the voters registration. Possibly I didn't hear it right. I actually went home and got my voter registration letter to make sure.


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#20 Restorium2

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Posted 11 June 2017 - 05:23 PM

This is good news! I'm pretty certain the guy told me it had to be exactly like on the voters registration. Possibly I didn't hear it right. I actually went home and got my voter registration letter to make sure.

Yup. The whole thing was total BS with a little hater on top. Hearing you loud and clear. And not for the first time. 






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