CedarSpringsCG

Umm, you forgot that you need secure transport to get it from the grower to the testing lab, then from the tester to the processor, then from the processor to the dispensary... Looks like the transporters will be the ones getting rich...

Oh wow, sorry I was just reading the Snopes article when I came here and saw that... LOL since it was both March, I thought you were referring to that... I should read what I am responding to before I respond I guess. Just linked the 2 in my head without really looking at it.

I almost exclusively use concentrates now. I love my vaporizer, but it wasn't cheap. I have seen a normal glass bowl, but instead of a hole at the bottom, it has 2 at the top, and then you use a dab tool heated to vaporize the concentrate... Fairly cheap, can be used for Hash, oil, butter, wax, shatter. Now, nectar collectors are for the hard core, but I just recently got a E-Nail for my Oil rig, and it is simply awesome, especially if more than 1 person is medicating. I can post some images of stuff if you want to see what I mean... I could snap some pictures tomorrow when I am out and about.

http://www.snopes.com/fda-outlaws-cbd-oils/ Sorry was AFK for a bit. I was talking about them banning it in March. That was debunked. THe new one that they banned it on the 14th is not false, but really it is just a DEA rule, and most lawyers (for CBD producers so take it as you will) say this is DEA overreach, the courts say it is fine, so the DEA has no jurisdiction to change the law that the courts have ruled on... We will have to wait and see what they do with it and how it turns out when it starts going to court. I mean CBD is now schedule 1 according to the DEA, even produced outside the US, and with no other cannabinoids, so the .3% THC is out the window. All of this reeks of big pharma. Anyway, sorry about posting that and then disappearing. But it was the March statement that I was referring to, not CBD being schedule 1 now.

They are. The law takes effect Dec 20, but all it does is establish a board which then writes all of the smaller rules and gives them 360 days to get started. Applications for a license starts on the 360th day unless the board decides to do it sooner, which they could. That doesn't mean they couldn't start sooner, as Lansing, Ann Arbor, Flint, and a few other places already allow them with licenses.

The one from march was debunked on Snopes. However, the new articles aren't fake and have attached the Government Journal to show evidence.

Thanks Malamute. So basically, it is illegal, you admit it is illegal, but you maybe can avoid punishment because of your excuses. Is that it in laymans terms?

Sure. But as you argue all the time, dispensaries are illegal. So if you get to use section 8, and it is totally fine, why can't a dispensary do the same? What you are saying, is really your methods are illegal just like a dispensary is if they are using Section 8 as a defense. Since you say they can't do it, then logic dictates that you shouldn't be able to either. Just you are out of sight so no one notices it. But the patients who want to be 100% legal won't do that anyway. But back to the OP. I still think 4209 and these reports will be used to take away home grows. As stated, I hope I am wrong, but when legislators are being told that the seed to sale tracking is working 100%, and that there is a 700% increase in MJ getting out on the street, they will say, no more home grows, we need to track it 100%. That's why I think they will use this report, and the 4209/4287 to remove caregivers. And that in my opinion is horrifying. Most don't believe me, but I think all patients should be able to grow if capable. And those that can't should be able to rely on friends, family and loved ones.

Well, sure stopping Leo from abusing power, and what a lawyer would recommend for transportation to keep people safe. I was asked 3 times today how the transportation was changing, and was unable to give a straight answer because of different interpretations of the law. Like I said, a locked case wasn't good enough if you can gain access with a knife, but your discussion is definitely worth listening to as well.

Glad using a court defense is good for you. For many patients it isn't. And you can ask an attorney, Section 8 is a court defense. That means you are arrested, all of your stuff if taken under asset forfeiture, arraigned, but you can avoid jail by using it. Most people aren't willing to roll the dice on that one. Especially since once they confiscate your stuff, it is a long legal battle to get it back. Read up, Court Defense only for section 8. Some LEO let it slide, but many don't.

sometimes talk shows allow for listeners request subjects to be talked about. I know that the PGT guys go way above and beyond, and always seem to move discussion based on callers, but often I am not able to call in. So I was just asking if there was a place or way that someone to ask for a specific subject to be discussed. I would suspect that the final discussions would still be made by PGT, but hmm, thinking more about this, you might be flooded by requests. Anyway, that was all I was asking, could someone make a request for these guys to discuss. I value their legal opinions and what they see running clubs. One that had come up today, I was told that some people are getting busted for illegal transport because the "case was openable by scissors". It is locking, it is in the trunk, but because you can open it with scissors, it wasn't good enough for the LEO. I know most hard cases I see can be opened with a screw driver in about 20 seconds, so in my head it is LEO over reaching, but I spoke to 1 person who was getting dragged over the coals, lost his meds, and had the full fine, just for illegal transport because the locked case was a canvas one that could be opened with scissors. I know Mr Komorn sometimes has some very good insight, and I know the case above is solved by having a decent lawyer, but many of these people can't afford more than the court appointed. I've tried calling 2 lawyers offices who have blogs about the illegal transport to ask what they would recommend for a case, and they haven't responded. For Christmas I was thinking of buying all of my patients new cases for transport, but I really don't want to spend $30 on a case that ends up landing them with an illegal transport fine. I was hoping for someone who knows more than I do could recommend a good case. I also don't want to spend $75 on a case that they won't use because it is too heavy or hard to drag around. Since opinions are so varied, I was hoping for more than just a post here, which would most likely have half the people saying the canvas bags are good enough, which what I am seeing it is not. Thanks Zapatos...

If you transfer to more than 5 people, it isn't within the law, and you aren't protected... Sorry

I said Teenagers because that's what LEO throws out. It was wrong, what I meant was uncarded people. I think you are taking this wrong HL. I 100% support individual grow rights. I also think that 4209 is a horrible bill that will lead to the end of caregivers. I could be incorrect, and I hope I am. Honestly I would rather see legal transfer from ANY CG to ANY Patient be legal... Then I would argue with you that dispensaries are not needed at all. I'd still support them, but it wouldn't be necessary. But that isn't the case. So you can ONLY transfer to the 5 patients who call you a PRIMARY caregiver. Sure they said you don't have to register for section 8, but you can only assist the 5 people linked to you. Any and all other transfers are illegal. P2P CG2CG CG2P if not linked to you is all illegal. So HL, if you are in an area that allows transfers to people who aren't registered to you, awesome, but that isn't the case here. Yes, 4209 stinks of big business trying to crush home grows. I don't support it past giving patients more access, but I fear the implementation. I hope I am wrong, but when Schuette is Governor, do you really think he will support the CG system any more? He lead the opposition in 2008, and has tried to undermine the act ever since it was initiated. And just look, he is the frontrunner to win in 2018...

How do suggest talking points for this?

the more drug arrests they have, the more funding they get... Plain and simple. But, its Lansing that is causing this. By restricting and capping what Caregivers can do with their overages, and by the new 4209 which appears to be heading towards getting rid of Caregivers, many people are going back underground. What happens when growers go underground? More of it gets to teens and on the street... It's exactly what the laws they passed would do. I don't find it odd at all, it's expected.